AIBU to be unable to think of a way in which Jeremy Corbyn could be doing worse

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Where even is he - down the allotment?

Well Tom Watson has an online petition (which I just signed) saying that Labour should come out ‘unequivocally and proudly for remain’.

Got to keep fighting this Brexit shitshow.

Agreed @Alltheprettyseahorses

It does look like he’s just out for the photo ops. He is actually doing bigger all to make any change happen.

The worst kind of leader is one that thinks changing their mind is a sign of weakness. Sums up both Theresa May and Corbyn.

Hes one of the most elected mps in government

Yes, but the ones voting to keep him as leader are his own party members (though never ask me why)

Come a GE they'll vote "for him" anyway, but he'd need a much wider appeal than that. When even the majority of Labour MPs don't want him, what hope is there among the general population?

Yes, finally labour have come out for remain. Too little too late. Pathetic.

Plenty of countries do just fine without nuclear weapons.

That may be so, but I for one am pleased we have a nuclear deterrent as things stand in the world right now.

Well Tom Watson has an online petition (which I just signed) saying that Labour should come out ‘unequivocally and proudly for remain’.

They seem to have lots of these unless it's the same one? How many times can they keep saying the same thing. They do just need to find a way to give him the elbow and get in someone who can win votes.

Ooh wr have a nuclear deterrent.. hired from the US we will never fire without permission. Pretending otherwise is futile.

Of course Boris has charisma. Denying that is futile.

Some people think charismatic, others think offensive.

It's tricky because Boris also has celebrity status doesn't he. A Labour leader doesn't need that, but they do need to have some kind of broad appeal or presence or something. I think Jo Swinson has it - maybe an ability to connect with people somehow.

When I read anyone on here pledging to back the Tories, or the Tory-enabling Fib Dems, I ask you to go and visit a food bank and see for yourself what austerity (Tory / Fib Dem policy) has done to children and their families. Tory policy, enabled by the spineless Nick Clegg, has been directly or indirectly responsible for over 120,000 deaths. Corbyn is the one leader who will structurally overturn the UK economy so that money is pumped back into wages, the NHS, education and public services. Tax, yes tax is where it will come from. Whilst Bozo is busy reducing his mates' tax bills, Corbyn will be taking £800+ per year from all those earning £80,000+. He will be making businesses like Google and Amazon who pay no tax in the UK, pay their fair share. It's the right thing to do. From those who can shoulder the burden a little, to improve the whole of society, a lot. He will be shutting down off-shore accounts such as those held by most of the Tories and NHS thieves like Richard Branson. There is so much money in this country, but it's trickling up and up and up. I have already seen several responses by Corbyn to Bozo. Check out his FB and twitter. Mainstream media won't give him air time. He is a world class leader who wants peace and prosperity for all. Absolutely what this country needs.

Mainstream media won't give him air time

This is simply not true. MSM are always complaining that Corbyn is like the Scarlet Pimpernel when it comes to getting him to appear on radio or TV. Phone calls and emails go unanswered. Not just Corbyn. It's a running joke on Newsnight, the LP saying that 'no one was available to appear on this programme. Again.'

I don't know whether Seumas is afraid to let him out on his own - after all, he does have a tendency to say something that needs rowing back on the next day. Or whether he simply digs his heels in and refuses. When he does appear, he never comes across well, suspicious and testy. He even described an interview with Sophy Ridge - a v g but soft-spoken and gentle interviewer - as 'hostile'.

I'm sorry, but no matter how good Labour's manifesto is, Corbyn - and his advisers - are the main reason why those who need help will have to suffer another Tory govt. because while he is our Leader we will not win an election.

This is JC's problem Thymeout! If he thinks Sophie is 'hostile 'then he has no chance with Andrew Neil or Piers Morgan or any of those Rottweiler types! Hence the media blackout with anyone who doesn't think like Corbyn does.

Labour have a golden opportunity here to start asking the new PM and his new Chancellor about money .. where is the ' magic money tree' where are the costings ' on and on as they did to them two years ago.. after all,the earth was promised on Thursday but how this would happen was a bit vague to say the least.
So many open goals that will be missed to nail them to the floor , or attempt to, I would imagine.

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Sorry if above link doesn't work. London School of Economics study found that 75% of mainstream media misrepresents Jeremy Corbyn.

He’s worse than Michael Foot was. I never thought I’d ever type that

Don’t waste your energy Summer - too many people think that the media represents reality rather than a biased view dependent on who’s funding it. They’ll repeat whatever they read on the front of whatever passes for a paper these days and have no self-awareness doing it (hence those regurgitating “unelectable” despite the evidence to the contrary - people have short memories, and seem to believe this is their own opinion, not something they’ve been fed).

Some people really need to watch The Great Hack on Netflix - what you think is a reflection of reality from the media is a carefully curated fallacy. But that requires some independent thought.

deathgrip i watched Boris completely annihilate JC in parliament. It was live and unedited. Stop trying to blame his uselessness on the media.

The only thing Johnson can annihilate is a marriage. Give me a break.

Presumably you didn't watch? It was a death blow. Jc needs to go

Deathgrip and other Corbyn apologists

I always think it's a bit rich accusing critics of not thinking for themselves. Is there some sort of Momentum talking points script? The same statistics, the same links.

Unelectable - usually they refer to 2 landslide victories to become leader and a record-breaking share of the popular vote in 2107. But LP members are a v different breed from the general electorate, and even Lab voters, and May broke records, too, because it was a 2 horse race.

What about 2016 local elections? Copeland. Stoke. Local elections 2018 and the Euros - 3rd in the polls below the BP and the Lib Dems. Corbyn did better than expected - from a v low base - in the GE, but we lost the election. And, despite everything, he's never had a higher approval rating than May. Half the population don't trust BJ, but they'd still rather have him as a PM than Corbyn.

Yesterday. Only the back-benchers - especially Cooper and Benn - put up a good show against Johnson. Corbyn read from a script written by someone else. A few tweets from his team. What does he do? Holds a rally outside Parliament demanding a GE.

Preaching to the converted. No one else is listening.

JC is in his third marriage. Not a fan of either BJ or JC.....just saying he's hardly a paragon of virtue when it comes to personal relationships 🤷🏻‍♀️

I think he did take a bit of a pasting but you would expect that. He’s not exactly quick witted, and is surely one of the most humourless people in parliament. But I not sure that really matters. In fact it encourages those who are inclined to support him because they feel sorry for him.

As a lifelong Labour Party member who voted twice for JC to be leader - yes. A whole lot worse. The fundamental problem the party has, doesn't reveal itself in raw poll numbers, but it is revealed by a more sophisticated analysis of those numbers. It's a problem that cannot be resolved to everyone's satisfaction. Much like Brexit really, but it isn't Brexit itself. I've read excellent articles discussing the problem in The Guardian, The Independent, The Times, The Irish Times, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, and by numerous well informed bloggers from quite a few foreign countries, but it's clear that even some Labour MPs don't get it yet. You won't find it talked about in our gutter press, the Daily Mail, Express, Sun, Telegraph etc; real information, with real facts and careful judgments, lie elsewhere.

Unfortunately, and you have to blame the gutter press and the BBC (I don't say that second bit easily), the Labour Party cannot have the debate with the public that's so needed, because it will be blasted out of existence by the flamethrowers of the gutter press, owned by Tory-supporting oligarchs and those who support them, the Paxmans and Humphryses that have infested the BBC for so long and driven out good, independent commentators like, most recently, Evan Davis.

We'll have to wait and see what happens in the general election. At least we, the Labour Party, are the only party with a fully worked out and costed manifesto in place, describing policies that are taken for granted as mainstream in Europe, EU country or not. Don't believe the lie that the EU doesn't allow e.g. state owned railways and all that crap. EU social policy is much more enlightened than that. We should be so lucky.

Yes, the Labour Party has changed so much recently, but not completely. Fortunately the Tory-light of Tony Blair's Third Way bilge has largely been rejected but there's still work to do.

Have a nice day one and all; at least it's cooler out there, 72℉ in my back garden in the East Midlands right now.

I don't know. He has been the Tories best asset for 3 years. I bet they love him. To say opposition to him is a right wing plot is ridiculous. All Teresa May and Boris Johnson have had to say to get voters flocking is 'Jeremy Corbyn'. They bloody love him.

I mean quaking. They weren't flocking to anyone