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AIBU to be unable to think of a way in which Jeremy Corbyn could be doing worse

284 replies

Cinammoncake · 25/07/2019 09:59

Where even is he - down the allotment?

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gamerwidow · 25/07/2019 11:15

Absolutely ineffective as the leader of the opposition. Had shit loads to say about Jo Swinson being elected Lib Dem leader but strangely quite on Boris and his Brexit cabinet. Wonder why? Almost like he wants Brexit?

gamerwidow · 25/07/2019 11:18

Its interesting how the anti corbyn threads spring up now the hard right are in power
It’s because we desperately want someone who can challenge them. Latest polls put Labour at 19%. 19%!!!! Against the most useless Tory government there has ever been. That’s not leadership. Labour should be leaving the Tories in the dust. What’s happened? Surely even the most rabid of Corbyn fans doesn’t think he would win an election were one called today?

lyralalala · 25/07/2019 11:26

I'm really angry at Labour, and at Corbyn.

The problem we have is that so many politicians are about self first, and Jeremy Corbyn is one of those. If he actually cared about the country he'd have had a look at the situation and gone "Ok, I don't know why people don't like me, but they don't so it's time for me to step aside so we can put up a good challenge". But he hasn't. Because like so many now he's about self first and everyone else later.

The fact that we have such a shit show in government and they are still not guaranteed to be run even close in a GE is utterly shameful on Labour's part, and in particular on Corbyn's part.

SudowoodoVoodoo · 25/07/2019 11:27

I don't share his politics, but I do have the capacity to respect people that I disagree with. I don't respect Corbyn as a leader. He also has low respect for convention and uses everything as a cheap pot shot to poorly make a point. To be an effective leader, you have to work with convention to some extent, you can't blindly do your own thing.

Like TM's failed dogged determination to push through her deal, he still regurgitates the same empty nothingness. In three years of opposition to a deeply unpopular government, he's failed to establish a secure policy with regard to Brexit. He has a party sullied by constant claims of anti-semitism. His policies don't have the trust of far too much of the electorate.

9 years into weak Conservative government propped up by coalitions and minority parties, any competent opposition leader should be laughing all the way to the next general election. The only people laughing are satirists who've been handed a political feast for ridicule.

The crumbled Conservatives were swept out by Tony Blair in 1997 and wasted their early years in opposition on their domestic messes. Admittedly Brexit has long been one of those, but by 2005 (9 years on), they had sufficiently sorted themselves into a plausible opposition. New Labour had peaked from a much stronger starting point, but were tainted from Iraq by then. The Gordon Brown years and credit crunch meant that 2005-2010 made the Conservatives look ripe to resume government. I can not see a functional Labour Party looking ripe for government by a 2022 general election under the leadership of Corbyn. Theresa May should have been a gift a competent leader of the opposition.

Knittedjimmychoos · 25/07/2019 11:31

Yes indeed scion.

Do you think an army of hard right bots have sprung up to denigrate corbyn, plucking unfounded accusations out of thin air with the hope to turn everyone including the notoriously left wing posters on mn.
Then once turned, the far right will then begin a fascist take over.

Or do you think with this new turn of events, people are desperately looking for salvation, solution and hope, look to their left and see, none. Hence the same criticism of corbyn, only more.

🙄

MaxNormal · 25/07/2019 11:41

@lyralalala I agree with all that you say.

I do think Cornyn has been unfairly treated by much of the media - when you consider the truly dreadful things some of the Tories get away with - but the fact remains that he's now unelectable at a time when we desperately need a strong, credible opposition.

Cinammoncake · 25/07/2019 11:44

Its interesting how the anti corbyn threads spring up now the hard right are in power.

That's the whole point - the reason the hard right have been able to rise up like this is because they're not being held to account. If there was a decent, electable opposition, the Tories may not have taken the chance on putting in a cabinet like this current one. Corbyn is allowing them to get away with it.

There are many I like in the Labour Party who could be leading (Starmer, Cooper etc) but the longer nothing is happening the more despair I feel and the more anger Labour are generating which will take them longer to get over even if Corbyn went.

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TheBigBallOfOil · 25/07/2019 11:45

Perhaps he’s at another wreath laying ceremony?
Grin

sionnachbeag · 25/07/2019 11:54

Brexit was a hard right coup, they have been in the ascendancy long before Corbyn was leader.

"another wreath laying ceremony" or at meetings with white supremacists like Mogg and Johnson?

TheBigBallOfOil · 25/07/2019 11:57

I’m sure he’s only present but not involved.
Ps - there’s plenty to go at with Johnson and Rees mogg. Making stuff up just makes you sound mad.

thecatsthecats · 25/07/2019 11:59

Its interesting how the anti corbyn threads spring up now the hard right are in power.

It's entirely historically normal. Divergence into more polarised left and right wing stances - both at leadership and individual levels - is an entirely typical response to economic strife.

As is the utter despair of centrists!

Alltheprettyseahorses · 25/07/2019 12:00

Oh he is awful! I'm watching him stumble over a script that he probably hasn't even glanced at on the way to the Commons and clearly doesn't understand, and it's in reply to a scruffy idiot who can't even string 5 words together and I can't see how we could possibly do worse than the politicians we have now.

I can't forget his abuse of Swinson either when looking at the silence over Johnson; l wonder why that could be Hmm.

Dunno if it's confirmed but twitter gossip is that for all the posturing Labour are doing, apparently they're not even backing the Lib Dems' VONC.

sionnachbeag · 25/07/2019 12:00

Making stuff up? So Bannon isn't a white supremacist? Showing your igonrance there.

Theknacktoflying · 25/07/2019 12:02

He is there for the same reason why Boris is there ... there is some strong support for them.
The middle grounders are being lost and are muzzled watching the fascists take over the playground ...

I despair ..

TheBigBallOfOil · 25/07/2019 12:02

I think you need to worry a bit more about your own boy. He ain’t looking too healthy this morning.

Knittedjimmychoos · 25/07/2019 12:03

Wreath laying ceremony, secret meetings with terrorists v white supremacist meetings.

Which one is worse?

HouseOfGoldandBones · 25/07/2019 12:03

I hate the Conservatives & all they stand for, but luckily I live in Scotland so have the option of the SNP, because I could never vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

Irrespective of his policies, his job is to oppose the Government, to hold their policies up to scrutiny, and he has failed miserably.

I want an opposition party who will, actually, oppose the Government. Their policies don't actually concern me when they're not in Government, but this complete lack of any kind of scrutiny makes me really angry.

I wouldn't trust Jeremy Corbyn to be in charge of my pub quiz team.

Knittedjimmychoos · 25/07/2019 12:04

Facists taking over playground and socialists waiting to take over the school. Confused

sionnachbeag · 25/07/2019 12:05

Oh no, I think those in glass houses need to not start the stone throwing. There is loads of dirt on all of the cabinet, morally and on who they associate with and then you raise fairly tenuous stuff aboit Corbyn.

Hilarious.

Havingarethink · 25/07/2019 12:09

He legit seems very irrate at B Johnson at the minute watching BBC newsroom live. Maybe a day late and a dollar short, I have never seen him so passionate. Also prime minister looks very angry, I just wish he didn't remind me so much of a character from a Harry Enfield sketch.

BritWifeinUSA · 25/07/2019 12:13

Interesting that people are mentioning Boris Johnson’s marriages and relationships. He’s been divorced twice. So has Jeremy Corbyn. Jeremy Corbyn also has a fling with Diane Abbott who later got one of the top jobs in the shadow cabinet despite having no idea how much a policeman makes (although she was proposing to create 10,000 new police officers) and believes that Chairman Mao did “more good than bad” - so murdering millions of people is OK as long as you unite the country in the process.

But back to divorces. I’ve been divorced and I’m on my second marriage. Doesn’t mean I can’t do my job. And if that’s the worst people can say about someone...

sionnachbeag · 25/07/2019 12:19

Boris got his figures all wrong on the samw campaign, that doesn't get mentioned? funny that.

Problem with Boris and his marriages is that he lied, and lied to the public about it, got sacked for lying from two papers, got sacked for lying to his Tory party leader.

Never mind the criticisms of him as Mayor, an MP and as Foriegn Minister or the racism.

Cinammoncake · 25/07/2019 12:22

I think you need to worry a bit more about your own boy. He ain’t looking too healthy this morning.

Certainly not mine. I'd have voted Labour if they were halfway decent but have defected to LibDems as am a remainer.

Interesting that some on the thread think only a Tory could be disappointed in Corbyn. I think the reality is that many Labour voters are leaving and fed up.

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Cinammoncake · 25/07/2019 12:23

Wreath laying ceremony, secret meetings with terrorists v white supremacist meetings.

Which one is worse?

Why have one shit leader when you can have two

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BellsaRinging · 25/07/2019 12:28

It's just depressing. Two middle aged/older white men. Two racists. Two hardliners apparently incapable of listening to reason. If we all joined the lib dems (as the least worst option) could the power of mumsnet swing it?