AIBU to be unable to think of a way in which Jeremy Corbyn could be doing worse

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Where even is he - down the allotment?

serenoa sorry if I am being a bit daft but what is the not Brexit but like Brexit problem you refer to?

Agree jc is tories best asset. Don't think anyone in current Labour would help.
The only person I could think of who may galvanise Labour again is David miliband.
Only because of his popularity, the way he speaks, reasonable and balanced.
Boris did obliterate corbyn.
Esp the part about flip flopping into a remainer.

He's just shredded. Didn't we also read something about jezzas ex wife and abbot finding them in bed?

If Corbyn is doing such a brilliant job, organising rallies and being a man of the people, then why are Labour polling so badly?

Part of being a good party leader involves increasing your party’s popularity and on that front, against the most dismal government ever, in a moment of national crisis, Corbyn has totally fucked up.

Which means he needs to go. Because he is, regardless of whether justified or not, toxic to Labour’s brand. The general public won’t vote for him, and so, if you don’t want the BoJo show in town forever, even if you think JC is the Messiah himself, you need to accept he’s not the man for the job.

Which polls are you looking at ? 8th July for the Telegraph had Labour in the lead ukpollingreport.co.uk

I love Jeremy Corbyn and believe in his vision for the country.

I don't think he will ever win a general election. We as a country, will never vote in a veggie who rides a bike and isn't one of the 'boys'.

The right wing press have done an excellent job of ridiculing him and unfortunately not a lot of voters will take him seriously.

Labour needs someone like kier to be leader. He comes across competent and sharp. I have a horrible feeling Watson will take over and we'll have a terrible right wing Gov for many more years.

And YouGov had Labour on 18% in the same article you linked to.

Outside of polls, look at recent election results. Labour did dismally in the EU elections and lost seats in the local elections.

noble you do realise that YouGov is a Tory owned poll? It always had Labour polling low down. That's what it was set up to do...to influence polling rather than represent it.

The funny thing is, most of the country believes in Labour's policies but too many people are influenced by the personality-driven mainstream media whose lies about Corbyn have become common fact. He is one of the most decent people in global politics. He wants yo end all war, set up a ministry of peace and make sure every citizen has a good standard of living via health, education, finance and public services. I am always stunned when people reject Labour in favour of any other party. Corbyn's lifelong record of fighting against injustice and fighting for rights is comparable to Mandela and Gandhi's. I am so proud to be in the Labour Party and have a leader like Corbyn. He is a great human.

The tories lost more seats and votes in both the local and EU elections. To be fair neither party campaigned really in the EU ones.

The point about the polls is that theu give different results, so your statement: "why are the polling so badly" depends on what poll you look at.

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The tories lost more seats and votes in both the local and EU elections.

Yes they did, but NOT TO LABOUR.

People waahing about biased polls is one thing, but trying to make out that Labour losing seats in actual sodding elections isn’t a sign of how massively shit Corbyn is doing is really pushing it a bit far.

He wants yo end all war, set up a ministry of peace

A Ministry of Peace? Where have I heard that one before?

And his record’s like that of Nelson Mandela and Mahatma Gandhi?! The Labour shilling’s getting both blatant and desperate.

Except in the last GE he won seats, and a larger share of the vote than had been achieved in previous elections. Attempting to extrapolate local and EU election results to predict GE ones is always inaccurate, same with by elections.

Come on now. The biggest winners in the local elections were the two parties with the clearest stances on Brexit. What a shocker.

I pay no attention to Momentum. I don’t have a blinkered view of Corbyn, I don’t support him unconditionally, there’s plenty he could do better. But the ridiculous misrepresentation of him vs the acceptance of the hateful bunch currently running our country is getting very old.

I agree @SummerWhisper I voted for him twice to be leader and volunteered time to help campaign locally at the last GE.

I just don't think the builders, the business owners, the wannabe upper middle classes ect will vote for labour with him in charge. This makes me very sad but realistically labour will not get in with him in charge. The last ge he campaigned amazingly. Students, teachers, social workers, drs and nurses that I know socially and family wise all voted for him. Apart from the social workers and students the snapshot of people I know don't like him, hate Tories and will vote lib dem now. I find it so strange as they actually agree with his views and all agree spending money on early years, teenagers, unemployed ect reduces spending in the long term but seem to dismiss JC as an eligible prime minister. I think he would be great but it's not going to happen.

@Fizzypoo

The problem is that he is an extremist. No one wants to vote for someone they feel secretly (or fairly openly) despised them.

I’m middle class. I’ve always voted Labour (until the last two years). I voted for Jeremy in the leadership elections. But I resigned my party membership once I couldn’t bring myself to vote for them anymore.

Jeremy and his team have shredded the party I once loved. The factions, The in fighting, the woolly stance on Brexit is poison. Someone needs to fix it but he is not the man to do it. And while he does nothing to bring the party together the stories get away with murder. His inability to change his mind and listen is his greatest weakness. Don’t confuse his stubbornness for strength!

Sorry, should be Tories

How is he an extremist? I'm not being shitty I genuinely can't see it.

The party management has been shit. Totally agree, but it seems he's damned if he does and doesn't do anything about that.

@SummerSeasoning

I need time, maybe a couple of days, to cool down, not just from the roasting temperatures.

Thank you.

Why has he allowed Momentum to have such power? Established Labour MPs deselected so momentum supporters can get elected?

People think his a communist and that gets in the way of everything. I hadn't noticed that before now but it clicked the other night why so many people don't like him ( mostly from reading a thread on mumsnet) it all made sense. I had an ' ah yes' moment.
They also think his dangerous so a lethal combination of things and not really the facts.

Except in the last GE he won seats, and a larger share of the vote than had been achieved in previous elections.

Yes, and a lot of people have since then being told voting Labour (which was, for them, a vote against the Tories and austerity) was in fact a vote in favour of Brexit, because Labour were pro-Brexit in their manifesto. This has pissed off an awful lot of remainers to have their vote misrepresented in this way.

And Labour has totally bodged their Brexit approach since then, trying to appeal to everyone and in doing so appealing to no one.

Plus they are now being investigated for anti-semitism by the EHRC having met the threshold for investigation, which is never a good look for a supposedly anti-racist party.

Given the appalling two years since the GE for the Tory party, the fact that Labour have lost seats in two elections since should be taken as a sign that people are really not happy with Labour.

So labour is under investigation for anti semitism.

Our new prime minister calls Muslim women letter boxes and that's totally cool.

Grr

I would have voted for him in the first leadership election he stood in, although I thought it would probably be a bad idea if he won. I paid my money to vote against him in the second contest.

Labour should be wiping the floor with the Tories. There are lots of reasons why they’re not (eg hostile press), but really it comes down to leadership and the fact that JC is not an effective leader.

Prevaricating over Brexit, failing to deal with anti-semitism, failing to have any charisma.

I’m really worried that Boris Johnson could win an election through sheer force of personality. It probably wouldn’t do me any harm, but it would be awful for the country.

We need an effective Labour Party, but I can’t see us getting one any time soon.

Our new prime minister calls Muslim women letter boxes and that's totally cool.

Hands up who thinks that’s totally cool.

Anyone?

No, didn’t think so. Stop pointing at other people to try to deflect attention.

Thats funny cause that's exactly what this thread is about.