AIBU to be unable to think of a way in which Jeremy Corbyn could be doing worse

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Where even is he - down the allotment?

You don’t think Jeremy Corbyn, Leader of the Opposition, deserves his own thread?

Well all of the Tory party members who voted boris in were totally ok with his racism otherwise he wouldn't have received a vote off of them. He would have been sacked in any other public services job for what he said, but here he is prime minister

Calling Corbyn racist or anti semitic is ridiculous. Its another smear designed to make his be unelectable.

Calling Corbyn racist or anti semitic is ridiculous.

And yet he is leader of a party who has met the threshold for investigation by the EHRC into anti-semitism.

So he’s crap at his job there too.

Noble, I think its interesting that this thread was started even before Corbyn had a chance at the ballot box against Boris.

I also think when a Conservative government appoints a hard right cabinet with no mandate (the final part of thr hard right brexit coup), and a hard right cabinet full of people who have been sacked fot lying, incompetence and who have made racist comments, met with white supremacists etc, its interesting that tje Corbyn hate thread is the most popular.

Of course he won a larger share of the vote in 2017. So did Theresa May. It was a two-horse race. LibDems and UKIP collapsed. We now have four parties jockeying for position.

No Opposition leader has won a GE with personal approval ratings - from all polls - as low as Corbyn's. When a poll shows Labour ahead, it's never more than 5 points, and never for more than a week or two. Labour needs to be 20+ points in the lead for an extended period to have a chance of winning. And even that didn't work for Miliband.

For a man of peace, JC sure spends a lot of time cosying up to anti-West dictatorships. I've watched his Press TV performances on YouTube. No sign whatsoever of him trying to talk the Iranian regime round, persuade them to be more democratic, give up their brutal punishments, adopt even the most basic human rights. But they're anti-West and anti-Israel, and that's all that matters to him.

And no - most of the electorate do not support Labour's policies, beyond give-aways like abolition of tuition fees - which helps the middle class most but was prioritised over restoring benefits to pre-austerity levels. And renationalising the railways. A lot of the electorate doesn't want to increase inheritance taxes and not be able to pass on the family home to their children. Fully costed? Based on 2017 borrowing rates. The way the £ is declining against the dollar and the euro, that won't work now.

I'm really sorry, because I want a Labour Govt. But Corbyn has to go, along with the toxic faction that is propping him up and poisoning the Party machine from CLP to Southside.

The LP need to win back the traditional labour heartlands to get anywhere. These are more than likely to vote Tory or UKIP.
I can't see that changing anytime soon.

You’re kidding, right, Sion? The Conservative party has elected fucking Boris Johnson as PM and he’s appointed a cabinet full of liars, incompetents and generally all round abominable people and you think that people should reserve judgement on Corbyn until he’s debated him in parliament? After years of shitness?

You don’t think that having seen the Tories setting up a really distressing cabinet that thoughts might immediately reach for hope and then remember that there isn’t any, because Corbyn’s refusal to resign and be replaced by someone more popular with the general public is part of what has got us into this mess?

Hating Boris Johnson is pretty much a given if you’re on the left. It’s the disappointment with Labour’s inability to stop it from happening due to unforced errors that’s the real killer, because it’s killing hope and hope is what keeps people going in turbulent times.

Corbyn hate thread is the most popular.

Add up all the anti-Boris ones then think again.

It certainly isn't ridiculous to say Corbyn is anti-Semitic. Look at that vile 'Zionists don't understand English irony' thing he said when targeting 3 British Jewish men sitting in the audience. Put any other group in there instead of 'Zionists' and tell me it isn't racist. Ew. But there are plenty of his rants caught on camera. For an unknown backbencher who was obviously highly unlikely to be filmed at all to be caught so many times yelling about how Israel has no right to exist etc is just a tad damning. And that's not even going into his support for his dodgy, holocaust-denying mates who froth at the mouth about wiping Jews off the face of the earth. I don't about anyone else, but I certainly do not know anybody like that in real life.

But it doesn't matter anyway. Corbyn will cling on, while refusing to back a VONC and going straight out to yell how much he wants at GE in front of some journos, 17 people and a few sunbathers in the distance at a rally which is then filmed using every camera trick they know to make it almost look like there might be 100 there if you squint hard enough and telling everyone there were 1000s to pretend Jezza is popular like they've always done. It's all really embarrassing now.

Keir starmer is a slippery weasel. Has done precisely zero other than sit behind JC waiting for his chance to be leader.

He uswd zionists correctly though, the men in the audience were fron a group that believe in Israeli expansionism . Again you are taking something out of context

Never seen anything that Corbyn said ablut Israel not having a right to exist.

Its funny that you talk about his mates? does your guilt by association extend to Boris and Bannon? How abkut the Conservatives being allied with Orban?

Thought not.

In his own way, he is as power-thirsty as Boris Johnson is. And as immoral. He is deliberately helping the Tory party to wreck our country and cause misery to millions.

does your guilt by association extend to Boris and Bannon? How abkut the Conservatives being allied with Orban?

Look over there, it’s the Goodyear Blimp!

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I’m troubled by anyone who tries to ban things as a response. I am very troubled by his blindspots over Maduro, Palestein and the IRA. He has very poor decision making, he is not a great public speaker and he is seemingly steered by a group of advisors who aren’t open to public scrutiny.

This is a terrible combination in a leader and something that wasn’t obvious to the people who initially voted for him.

His ideas are often half baked and fanciful. Which is ok if you are running for school council but shocking if you want to be PM.

If he runs the country like he’s run the Labour Party then we might actually be better off with Theresa May.

Here’s my list of things that make him unelectable:

• He is appalling at communicating his policies. And then deaf to criticism, even from inside his group. (See Brexit/Anti semitism)
• He doesn’t react to changing situations and is often caught wrong footed by interviewers (see every interview he’s ever given).

I CBA with the rest. Will think on some more.

But I will never, ever vote for him. And if I won’t then he’ll never win an election. I should be easy to persuade. If he cannot get the easy ones then where is he going to find a majority?

No, sionnachbeag. That's just rubbish. He knew who they were, he could have used their names like any normal person would, especially as he's been such a dedicated anti-racist all his life (yeah right!) and would certainly have understood the racist connotations of what he said ... It doesn't wash. It was racist. You wouldn't take it from Johnson.

And yes, I do talk about his mates. I would make sure I didn't have any mates like that, especially if I was that lifelong anti-racist campaigner™. Corbyn's been really unlucky hasn't he?

The various videos of Corbyn have been front-page news. If you haven't seen them, they're really easy to find.

I'm afraid i very much enjoyed Boris's riposte to JC yesterday.

Keir starmer is a slippery weasel. Has done precisely zero other than sit behind JC waiting for his chance to be leader.

Even if he was (which I don't think he is) he would still win more votes than Corbyn. Corbyn is unelectable. Even if he had the best policies in the world, that is meaningless if he can't win a GE, which he can't

its interesting that tje Corbyn hate thread is the most popular.
Saying he's incompetent and should resign isn't hate.

In his own way, he is as power-thirsty as Boris Johnson is. And as immoral. He is deliberately helping the Tory party to wreck our country and cause misery to millions

Errr... no.

Apparently the only other party to have been investigated in the history of the EHRC was the BNP www.thetimes.co.uk/article/equalities-watchdog-has-the-evidence-to-act-on-anti-semitic-labour-6cqn3pmxz

What sickening company for a once-great Labour party to be in

Here's the rally the JC chose to attend yesterday instead of working with Jo Swinson in tabling a VONC in BJ.

The other photo shows is really how sparse the crowds were. Some people saying they went for 20 mins or so and left as it was so crap.

BJ is all high energy, positivity and bluster (despite what you think of him, no one can say he's not different) Jo Swinson has dived straight in and looks like the official opposition. JC just looks like yesterday's man.

It's over.

And you don’t find that at all strange given actions comments made in the past by our current PM, other Tories, UKIP etc?

Some people don’t have the sense they were born with, honestly.

I've seen all this before with Mrs T and Micheal foot. We all know what happened there. This feels like a re run of the early 80s.
If only Corbyn would leave .. before it's too late.

Keir Starmer is a slippery weasel. Has done precisely zero, other than sit behind JC waiting for his chance to be leader.

Really? Where on earth do you think Labour would be without Starmer's intellect and mastery of the Brexit brief? They'd love to be rid of him, but know they'd be lost without him. And, for Remainers, which is an overwhelming majority of Lab members and voters, he's the only voice of sanity in the asylum. If it weren't for Starmer, there'd have been no mention of a 2nd Ref, with the option to Remain, on the motion passed at Conference.

Corbyn & Co are life-long Lexiters. Their pious position of respecting the voice of the People is nothing to do with democracy, or losing Labour seats. They lost a helluva lot more Remainers to the LibDems and Greens than they did to the Brexit Party. They want Brexit, for ideological reasons of their own. The same reasons as Putin has for being anti-EU.

I know Watson is Public Enemy No 1 among the pro-Corbyn membership, and Starmer is the preferred replacement - hence this comment - but I do actually think that, against Johnson, Watson would be the wilier opponent. He's a better communicator and Keir comes across as a bit too stiff and starchy on air. Thank God for Watson - for taking the lead in speaking up for Labour values after the appalling official response to the Panorama programme.

And before anyone says it, no, they are not right-wing Blairites. Watson, in particular, as anyone with any idea about Labour history knows, was a key player in Brown's attempts to bring down Blair.

What about Yvette Cooper? Labour could do with a woman leader. I agree that Watson would be okay, Starmer, Hilary Benn? Anyone really who seems more centre and up to date. I really wish he would leave because it's what the Tories need, to stop being so arrogant. BoJo will make mincemeat of Corbyn, who's just going to look less and less effective than he already does. The weak stance on Brexit is a huge problem for Labour.

I would voted for either Starmer or Cooper. She is a slick political operator and knows how to get things done.