AIBU to be unable to think of a way in which Jeremy Corbyn could be doing worse

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Where even is he - down the allotment?

I am shocked how people speak with such authority about things they clearly know nothing about.

Corbyn and Labour have been setting up rallies etc for a general election.

Corbyn has criticised Boris and his cabinet of incompetent crooks publicly, many times.

Maybe people who haven't heard about these things should look into the reasons why

Even though Brown wasn't big on charisma, imo the Tories would be quaking in their boots if he came back tomorrow and replaced Corbyn. Oh how I would love to have someone halfway decent at the helm of Labour. It feels like those days might be gone.

I want a fairer society not bloody Venezuela
Exactly!

I’ve largely given up listening to PMQs because of the inevitable crashing disappointment that is Jeremy Corbyn, but even by those standards only a die-hard Corbyn fan would think he did well today. Boris was largely hot air, but a lot of people will have liked that kind of bombastic, patriotic “fight ‘em on the beaches” stuff. Corbyn in comparison sounded like he was reading a laundry list. It needed passion and energy and wit, and apparently he has none of the above.

Agree with this. Boris is very good at rallying cries and 'Oh lets all be positive, we'll be the greatest country in the world' bluster and nonsense that people desperately want to believe. Against JC's deafening silence over Brexit and pie in the sky policies that would largely have to be ripped up if we stayed in the EU, he wont win. If he could barely stand up against the personality vacuum that was Teresa May, he has no hope against Johnson. Corbynite HQ in London voted Johnson Mayor twice against quite left wing opposition. I cant believe Labour are still calling for a GE when they are so low in the polls and have no idea what they would do about Brexit. The risk of a Brexit party/ Tory coalition is too great. After Brexit is sorted, they may have half a chance of getting some of their voters back if they come up with some credible policies. Why are they relying on people making sense of their manifesto to get support ? They have the whole of social media available to them to put forward their policies in a positive way, not just saying how terrible everything is under the Tories. Many voters don't want Corbyn and his cronies as PM. The Tories are using him in a 'We may be crap, but at least we're not as crap as him' way. Get rid of him and get someone credible in and the Tories will be challenged properly by the Official Opposition, as they should be.

Jeremy May well have done these things but he isn't getting the message through. Ed milliband had the same problem.
He wanted to 'reach out' but he couldn't do it.

Corbyn and Labour have been setting up rallies etc for a general election.
Waste of time if not many people will vote for him

Corbyn has criticised Boris and his cabinet of incompetent crooks publicly, many times
He looks incompetent himself unfortunately. He's not doing enough

Maybe people who haven't heard about these things should look into the reasons why
We've heard all the blaming the media so many times. Makes no difference. After his antisemitism and his poor performance and hard left soundbites I don't think he'll ever win a majority. In fact I think he's quite deluded if he thinks he can.

It's frustrating that people don't understand why Labour couldn't be more pro reman. Labour heartlands where overwhelmingly pro brexit. You wouldn't do a very good job of representing your constituents if you just ignored their thoughts on it.

The Lib Dems had literally nothing to lose by taking a pro remain stance after their dismal term in coalition.

How was he anti Semitic?

And what are his hard left soundbites?

JC had been staying quiet on Brexit because there is a schism on it within the voter base.

i think its one of his more understandable areas of inaction.

It's frustrating that people don't understand why Labour couldn't be more pro reman. Labour heartlands where overwhelmingly pro brexit.

In no small part that was due to their utter ineptitude during the referendum campaign and their failure to defend and spell out the benefits of our EU membership to these consitutents, many of whom may stand to lose their jobs or become significantly worse off soon.

JC had been staying quiet on Brexit because there is a schism on it within the voter base

JC is pro Brexit, that's why

Well I know that.

In no small part that was due to their utter ineptitude during the referendum campaign and their failure to defend and spell out the benefits of our EU membership to these consitutents, many of whom may stand to lose their jobs or become significantly worse off soon.

Well I for one was out in many pro remain marches/ralley's/speeches all organised by the labour party. There was a vast about of literature distributed by the labour party. The action within the party and from Jeremy Corbyn was huge.

80s I strongly believed in him too and the early heady glory days of that administration when I was living in London were fucking brilliant. The 80s were indeed great but the late 90s were pretty good too!

It was shocking how all that potential and goodwill, as you say, later on turned to poo. It really made me grow up politically. That was when I first realised why older people often seemed to be cynical about politics. Maybe it’s a rite of passage for everyone. Imagine the trail of disenchanted Corbynistas if JC ever got into power, god forbid.

Well that's why he's been staying quiet on Brexit. Because it suits him. Sod what's best for the country. Same as why he hasn't resigned and saved his party.

David Cameron said that he wished labour would stand with him to promote remain.
They didn't. It was their choice but J C didn't want to know. I can't say I blame him but it didn't help anything.

He’s organising rallies
The media aren’t getting his message or there
He can’t take a view on brexit because of the schism in the party voters

That’s all hot air and dancing around the real issue. He is unelectable. He’s never going to lead labour to a successful GE.

If he himself bloody cared about the country he would have stepped down and let a more centre left leader have a shot.

Surely a more centre left party wining a GE is better than a hard left party not winning, and allowing the most far right cabinet (ever?) to take control?!

I don't think that JC actually wants to be PM. He likes the idea of it but not the reality.
That's how I see it but then I've not been to any rallies. Maybe his different when his not in Parliament.

Johnson reminds me of Trump who reminds me of people like Mao...people aren't dying of starvation in China, Stalin..its all good in Russia pol pot, Kim etc. They all tell lies as truth and call truth fake news. Ditto some corbynistas.
Not the outcomes but the denial of fact by calling it fake news.

If a tree falls in the forest and no-one is there to hear it, is it still Corbyn’s fault?

So much deflection, so little time.

And labour should have been out there in their heartlands campaigning - saying yes, I know you feel like life is shit and immigration is to blame - but brexit is going to be really difficult and harm our industry. Promoting the stronger together message.

I apportion equal blame between JC, DC and BJ for leading us down the brexit nightmare.

That’s all hot air and dancing around the real issue. He is unelectable. He’s never going to lead labour to a successful GE.

I guess the people who keep trotting out the unelectable line a) don’t realise it’s literally a plot line lifted from Thick Of It, and b) have very short memories about how close they came in the last GE despite everyone screaming the word unelectable every 30 seconds.

It’s so transparent.

The media seem as indifferent to J C as he is with them. Calling out big business etc is old news ( relevant, but old)
He either needs a new approach or he should step down.

I have seen a rally on TV and he was noticeably on home turf and a much better performer.

Well, every day in uk politics seems like a sketch from in the thick of it...