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Sending money back to PIL - WWYD?

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Namechangedonceagain · 23/07/2019 14:30

My DH is Indian, and his family live in India. They're wonderful, although very traditional. (For example, we had a very hard time convincing them that we wouldn't be moving to India to live with them in their family home as per the tradition, but they have seem to have finally understood this now and stopped asking.)

We have an awkward situation with them regarding money. Traditionally, as a son, my husband is expected to send money back to the family home to support them. There are four people (parents and grandparents) living their permanently, and his sister and her baby live there half the week (the other half with her husband and his family). PIL buy almost everything for SIL and her baby (may be relevent).

So, DH feels really awkward as there's an expectation that we will send money back to them every month. But they don't need the money. They have another house that they rent out which means they can afford all food and everything else they need on a daily basis. They also have a huge amount of property and land which they could sell if they wanted to and be very wealthy. (I don't mean the land that they live on (which is also huge!) - I mean additional unused land which is seperate to where they live and just going to waste. They don't want to sell it but we aren't sure why, as it's really not used at all and worth a lot of money.) Should add - we only think they should sell a small part of it as they should enjoy their retirement and travel, something they've never done - we don't want any of the money!

Here is my confusion. I asked DH why, traditionally, we should send money that they don't need. He said (traditionally) they'd keep any money that we don't use in a savings account so that any left over after their death would be divided between him and SIL. As SIL isn't expected to contribute any money, this seems odd and unfair to me - so we should give them a proportion of our money each month so that maybe in 30 years we can have half of it back? And SIL can have the other half?

Secondly, he said that he thinks the reason his dad is reluctant to sell part of the land is because he wants to leave it (along with all other land) for DH and SIL in his will. Which is lovely but they've both told him they don't need it and would rather he sold it and enjoyed his retirement!

I guess my question is, how would you deal with this? DH and I don't want to send the money (we really can't afford to send money - any contribution would be a struggle at the moment - especially to people who don't need it) and it seems really odd since they are much wealthier than us and don't need it.

Not only do they have a lot of land and income from tenants but they also gifted SIL several thousand pounds when she got married (again, a tradition) while we got nothing (as not a tradition). It just seems a bit unfair that SIL has thousands of pounds sat in the bank which isn't being used (as PIL pay for everything for her and her baby) and yet we are expected to send our hard earned money to them each month so they can potentially just put it in the bank and give us half back when we are old and hopefully more financially secure! There's no question that SIL should or would contribute in anyway.

We love them but we really aren't in a financial position to send money but don't know how to not play a part in this tradition as it will cause offence (we have already upset them by not living with them so are worried this might really make them upset).

DH isn't traditional at all and has lived abroad a long time so sees this whole thing as just as odd as I do. Keen to add also that we don't blame them at all - we know it's just a tradition which is why they expect it. But if we weren't to give them money they would be a bit hurt and also embarrassed in front of their friends and relatives (who use their children's incomes to show off to each other and compete about whose child buys them the most!)

They would never force us to send money or be angry about it - I don't think (although these traditions seem to run deep so sometimes their reactions to our breaking them are surprising).

WWYD?

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HollowTalk · 23/07/2019 14:33

I have read this exact thread before. Were you that poster, OP? No worries if you are, as obviously the situation still isn't resolved.

Namechangedonceagain · 23/07/2019 14:33

Should also add, they get very upset if we don't visit as often as possible - if we can't go at least once every two years, (preferably every year) we get a lot of calls with a lot of tears, so we do our best to visit as often as possible instead of having a family holiday. This is obviously very expensive and something which we need to save for. We simply can't send money back AND afford to visit and they won't consider visiting us either (if they did the expectation, traditionally, would be that we would pay for everything which obviously we can't afford). So we are already spending more than we can afford by visiting as regularly as possible.

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AryaStarkWolf · 23/07/2019 14:34

I wouldn't send any money obviously

Namechangedonceagain · 23/07/2019 14:35

Hollow talk - no, I don't think so! I have posted before about them wanting us to live in their family home and getting very upset that we didn't want to move to India, but that's since been resolved, thankfully Smile

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Csleeptime · 23/07/2019 14:37

Surely you just explain that you can't afford it. Don't mention the traditions just say you are sorry and would like to but cannot.

Namechangedonceagain · 23/07/2019 14:37

AryaStarkWolf - but how would you approach this with them? The problem is, even if we calmly explain our point they will still feel deeply hurt because they compare DH to their friends sons and see our inability to contribute as a sign that we don't love them or care. (Should add other sons would also live in the family home)

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Namechangedonceagain · 23/07/2019 14:38

I guess the solution seems so obvious - just to talk to them - but it would cause them so much hurt which we desperately don't want.

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Zippyx · 23/07/2019 14:39

I'd speak to PIL re. the situation and pardon yourselves from the tradition in view of your financial difficulties. As you mentioned, these sorts of traditions run deep: be sensitive with it!

Best of luck x

AryaStarkWolf · 23/07/2019 14:40

@Namechangedonceagain why do you need to bring up the subject at all? Is your DH already sending back money or have they asked about it or something?

ConkerGame · 23/07/2019 14:40

Gosh this sounds very tricky. I think it would be best resolved between your DH and his parents, probably face to face. Your DH would need to start the convo by saying how much he loves and respects his parents and SIL and how he wants to honour the traditions of his homeland, but then move on to explain your financial position and how it’s just not possible to send money back to them. Maybe he could ask them for suggestions as to the best way to resolve it (making it clear you won’t be moving there!)

Hopefully if he appeals to their understanding and generosity they will be able to accept the situation?

Hadalifeonce · 23/07/2019 14:41

I think your DH has to have a frank discussion with his parents to tell them that you cannot send any money to them, as you cannot afford to.

You need the money to house and feed yourselves, would they really see you go without just to boast to their friends?

WhatTheAbsoluteFuck · 23/07/2019 14:42

You say “we can’t afford it and you have plenty anyway” Confused

Cismyfatarse1 · 23/07/2019 14:45

Can you send them a token amount? Or show them you are saving in the UK and send them the amount so they know.

Does this tradition stem from days when they held the money - before banks were common?

YourSarcasmIsDripping · 23/07/2019 14:48

Just play the "we can't afford it card " and also mention that it would be either money or visits and you'd much rather spend time with them. If your DH is the type he can even play the emotional card of how he loves them so much,and he's sorry and ashamed he can't contribute bla bla bla he hopes he hasn't disappointed them. It's whole load of ridiculous bullshit but it goes a long way to smooth ruffled traditional feathers.

They want something you don't have, so you can't give it to them.

Cocolapew · 23/07/2019 14:51

Just don't bring it up, if they do tell them no, you can't afford it.
If they are hurt and upset that really isn't your problem.

ambereeree · 23/07/2019 14:51

But you realise your SIL won't get as much as your husband?
Also regarding the fact they pay for your SIL and her child that is just the tradition and her in laws expect it.

HavelockVetinari · 23/07/2019 14:52

To me it's irrelevant whether you can afford it or not - once you do have a bit of spare cash, is your DH really expecting you to send it off to his wealthy parents instead of spending it on you and your DCs? I'd nip that in the bud right now!

Paramicha · 23/07/2019 14:54

How would I deal with this.

I wouldn't have married someone with a culture I didn't believe. Or we'd have talked about it and he'd have relinquished the culture, for me.

HTH

diddl · 23/07/2019 15:06

Send money that they don't need so that you can get half back when they die?

It's laughable!

Is this also only so that they can boast about what a good son they have??

Why would your husband feel bad for not sending money?

Itwouldtakemuchmorethanthis · 23/07/2019 15:08

Surely your dh has always sent money home? I’m not sure what’s so weird about the set up. The family property is there for all to live in, the land is saved and passed on from one generation to the next, young working adults pay everyone’s living expenses. Sound unremarkable and very sensible to me.

TeenTimesTwo · 23/07/2019 15:09

Why doesn't DH suggest the following convoluted solution, but everyone stays mainly happy.

The PIL sell some of the spare land.
They gift the money to DH (without telling all their friends).
DH continues to send money home, funded by the money received from the land.

PIL can boast about their UK son sending money home.
He/you have money spare to travel back more often.

Inertia · 23/07/2019 15:10

Have they actually asked for the money?

If not, don't mention it .

If they have, tell them you can't afford and can barely get by as it is.

MummytoCSJH · 23/07/2019 15:14

Erm... just say no? Confused

TanMateix · 23/07/2019 15:14

To be honest, you can get the guy out of India but you cannot get India out of the guy.

Yes, it is a strong tradition, yes, they may look like they do not need the money but they could have sacrificed the whole family for years on end to ensure your DH went through education and have the income that he has. The fact that he married you cannot easily erase what it is a strong cultural tradition. It is what it is.

Considering that the pound is far more stronger than the rupia, are they asking for much money? Because if it is not really that unaffordable, I would continue sending the money back to India, don’t begrudge your SIL who doesn’t work, she is providing the care for the parents your husband cannot bring so far away.

I know that in our individual geared culture this might sound bonkers to you but in theirs that’s what you do. You return what was given to you so the cycle can continue.

LordNibbler · 23/07/2019 15:14

I agree with HollowTalk this thread seems very very familiar. I'm almost certain I've read it before.