To ask if those who want to leave the EU are happy to be personally worse off in order to do so

[Bearbehind]

Following lots of discussion on the subject, it’s clear that leaving the EU is based on something other than financial impact, however, even the government’s impact assessments make it clear that there will be a negative impact.

Would you still chose to leave if you knew it would make you personally financially worse off?

Bearbehind

It if was all hunky dory why didn’t we leave on the 2 occasions we could have already?

Because those in power are a bunch of incompetent dickheads that couldn't make a decision if their lives depended on it.

There is more than enough evidence to revoke yet remain supporters blocked this with a court case.

The government is so split that they won't even vote to leave. they are even more split than the country and are frankly not fit for purpose.

dapple do you ever contribute positively to any threads or do you just goad the OP? Or do you save that just for me?

Actually I have read something new, and horrifying, on this thread. That someone seriously thinks we should close the door to immigrants and have more British children to keep up the bloodline.

That’s how bad this situation is - so IMO it’s worthy of discussion.

There is more than enough evidence to revoke yet remain supporters blocked this with a court case.

Eh?

Bearbehind

Surely you remember the saviour of remain that took her case to court to prevent leaving without putting the deal through parliament?

Its that very same deal that stops the revoking of article 50 without going through parliament.

Pretty sure that’s not correct - the PM could revoke without going through parliament. It’s the one option she, soon to be he, unilaterally has.

There is no "evidence" in either direction. just opinions by 'experts' that have a loaded bias in the outcome

You not need to be Mark Carney to realise that leaving with no-deal, dropping out of 60 FTA's and having nothing to replace any of this with (which is the case) is going to at the very least have a significant impact on the economy.

Now for a single worker, earning £550 per week (uk avg weekly wage), the dole is around £72 per week.
Does anyone think that he or she will be happy with that as a price worth paying? or as leavers call it "short term disruption" for a year or two?

As for the much vaunted £26b stimulus package? well, we spend £120b on the NHS each year and have a £2 Trillion economy, so a few billion here or there will make little difference spread across the UK.

Happy to be proved wrong though

Bearbehind
Happy to be proved wrong though

As would I but the last PM that had balls big enough to go there own way was Thatcher.

I can't see any of the current crop of self serving politicians willing to put their careers on the line to do anything.

Totally agree with that but I’m sure it is theoretically possible.

I hate this ‘vote for what benefits me and mine’ attitude. I genuinely try to vote for what I think is best for society. We do need tax increases to fund the increase in public spending that needs to take place. A tax increase would hit my household income hard as we are high earners - but it is what needs to happen, and is how I would vote.

I didn’t watch it but my husband was saying that this was being discussed on ‘This Week’ recently with Portillo saying the constant pressure on politicians to make spending promises could end democracy as people vote for this but never vote for the increased tax so borrowing has to increase.

I voted remain so can’t answer the question, would I have been happy to remain if it cost me money? Yes, I suppose, so I presume leaver voters feel that way too.

On a point of order Thatcher didn’t put her career on the line for anything either (well not until the poll tax which did for her) - she was more Self-serving than anyone, and she made plenty of u turns whilst claiming she didn’t. She was the roots of Trump’s “fake news” with her lies and deceit.

please I think what so many of us don’t understand is what we will gain from leaving other than being probably poorer.

When Leave was sunlit uplands and happy ever after I could understand it a bit more but now the talk is of damage limitation at best, where are the upsides?

Trouble is Bearbehind the demographic that is touted as those who voted to Leave are highly unlikely to be on this forum so your questions will remain unanswered.

I agree @CassandraCross

I dread to think what forum they’d be on

I still cannot believe people are sanctioning this financial suicide for the UK

@cassandraCross lots of Leavers have answered this and the eleventy billion other Brexit threads started by the OP and others.

If you read the full thread you’ll find it goes the same way as the others. Anyone who doesn’t agree that all Leave voters are vermin is just slagged or patronised (usually both) until they give up and go away. It’s not that there are no Leave voters on MN it’s that they aren’t tolerated. Which is odd considering the number of Brexit threads purporting to want to know about the views of others.

for "slagged and patronised" read "asked questions they can't answer".

Stop playing the victim family. I and several other Remainers called out the poster who used the term ‘vermin’

After that it’s a perfectly pleasant discussion.

I am not playing the victim, how absurd.

As for “asked questions you can’t answer”. For that read “patronised by an echo chamber” if you like. MN is remain only - I get that, but I was pointing out to Cassandra that leaves are here, they are just universally derided and patronised.

But you haven’t made any contribution to the thread other than to say Leavers get a hard time, which is playing the victim in my book.

Apologies - just noticed the Thatcher comment was you

I have made a number of contributions to the thread other than saying leavers get a hard time - it’s not my fault if you haven’t bothered to read them. You’re welcome to claim I am playing the victim but it is utter utter bollocks.

My critique of Thatcher isn’t the only one, but fair play.

I am sure there are Leavers here familycourtq but I doubt they are of the oft quoted demographic of Leavers.

Well that’s the problem with “oft quoted demographics” isn’t it?