To ask if those who want to leave the EU are happy to be personally worse off in order to do so

[Bearbehind]

Following lots of discussion on the subject, it’s clear that leaving the EU is based on something other than financial impact, however, even the government’s impact assessments make it clear that there will be a negative impact.

Would you still chose to leave if you knew it would make you personally financially worse off?

To be fair family I have searched the thread again (spelling your name correctly this time 😁) and seen you have made other posts, which I’d read but not remembered your name.

It’s still a shame you have to go down the ‘all Leavers get picked on’ track though.

Trouble is Bearbehind the demographic that is touted as those who voted to Leave are highly unlikely to be on this forum so your questions will remain unanswered.
A bit presumptive, where's your evidence?
IMHO more likely that that lots of mumsneters voted leave but prefer to use mumsnet for non-aggressive discusions or support/info, and would rather stick pins in their eyes than join a brexit thread.

The court case was R (Miller) v Secretary of state 2017

The court case was R (Miller) v Secretary of state 2017

I know which court case is being referred to, I just didn’t think it prevented the PM revoking unilaterally.

Some of you absolute CUNTS will be pleased that my Ddad , a Brexiteer, is now off the face of the planet as he is DEAD

You callous bastards

Report away .. FFS

I may well be being presumptive BeerandBiscuits, but it is just an observation on what I have seen and read.

Bear do you have answers for the low-paid that have been negatively-impacted (by £8pw) by FOM - it says it in all those studies that "overall" FOM has had a positive economic impact (so you won't need me to get a link for you as you will probably already have it - you just need to read all of it - not just the bits you want to read).

I have posted this factoid upthread, but no response (except that I'm moaning) and on several other threads to a similar lack of response.

Mine isn't the point you haven't answered - is this because you can't really say anything in the face of facts and not 'feelz'. You will never understand any answers to your question unless you really do want to try and understand.

mine isn't the only point that should say.

When rabbits... This is hideous if people posting are making you feel like that, awful awful.

Report any post yourself I'm sure mn will delete.

@CassandraCross You opined that since none of the “oft-quotes demographic” would be on here the OP wouldn’t get “answers”. As I pointed out, lots of people have in fact answered this and the OP’s other regular Brexit threads.

hate whilst I can see that £8 per week is a lot if you are on the breadline I don’t know where you have got that figure from and it doesn’t explain the high Leave vote in areas with low immigration.

mine isn't the only point that should say.

I’m trying to keep up - feel free to repost anything I’ve missed. I’m perfectly happy to answer.

I accept what you are saying familycourtq that Leavers on MN have answered this and other threads. However, looking at the stereotypes presented of the 'typical' Leave voter IMO they would not be regular contributors on MN. If that stereotype holds true then Bearbehind will not be getting the breadth of responses asked for.

Ok Bear - I'll try and dig the paper(s) out - the negative impact on the low-paid due to FOM info is contained within the very same papers that state that "overall" FOM has had a positive impact.

Maybe someone else can if they feel up to it? As I'm just a bit tired at the mo - posting doesn't take as much mental resource.

The negative impact on the low-paid does, partly, explain why some areas voted to Leave - low-income areas. Even though not so many EU migrants are attracted to these areas, there is a knock-on effect that keeps low wages low.

bear I know this is important, but all your threads are virtually identical.
You start by asking a Brexit related question, usually asking brexiteers if they still believe in it , and if so why.
You get many remainers joining in saying how they agree with you, surely no one can think Brexit is a good thing after everything we’ve learned.
Then a few brave brexiteers step up and try and defend their beliefs, and are immediately shouted down.
This goes on for a few pages, until it slips too far down AIBU to be seen any more. Then you start another one!
It all just seems a bit pointless. And yes, I don’t actually read most of them.

Well don’t read this one then minty

Problem solved.

hate I await your link.

I do get that some areas have been negatively affected by immigration but not all those who are against immigration have actually been affected by it.

If you have 12 minutes to spare this video, narrated by Stephen Fry is worth a watch on Facts v Fear, particularly immigration.

I’m just curious bear. Don’t you tire of reading the same thing so many times? I might set up an AIBU poll. AIBU to wonder why bear starts the same thread over and over !

Oooh another 'upside' - Accountability. This is not to be confused with 'sovrinty'. Whatever colour/shade of Govt we have, nor whoever is the Civil Servant and Dept in charge of whatever, there's been a tendency to blame the EU when the UK Govt/CS has been incompetent/forgot about a Directive they've had 7 years notice on, etc.

It's like a bloke saying, well mate it wasn't me but you know what the wife is like - n.b. all gender stereotyping is interchangeable .

Take that EU blame fall-back away and no one else is to blame but YOU, you Govt people. And I will let you know via my MP and/or voting you out.

No I don’t get tired of it minty. Do you get tired of just being a GF?

If that stereotype holds true then Bearbehind will not be getting the breadth of responses asked for.

Eh?

Where did the OP ask for “breadth”?
Where did you mention “breadth”?
You just said (despite all the answers the OP got) she wouldn’t get answers.

Bear I didn't say "immigration", I said FOM. The two are very different things.

hate every government has at least 20 more years of blaming the EU for everything.

In the event of no deal it will all be because the nasty EU bullied us so we didn’t get the ‘leave’ we should have got.

People who believe Brexit is worth it because they have nothing else to lose clearly don’t have relatives in developing countries.

I had a distant relative die in childbirth because the hospital wouldn’t accept them as they didn’t have the money to pay. There are families living on rubbish dumps. Of course it can get much worse.