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Original poster

To ask if those who want to leave the EU are happy to be personally worse off in order to do so

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Bearbehind · 09/07/2019 10:28

Following lots of discussion on the subject, it’s clear that leaving the EU is based on something other than financial impact, however, even the government’s impact assessments make it clear that there will be a negative impact.

Would you still chose to leave if you knew it would make you personally financially worse off?

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BoneyBackJefferson · 09/07/2019 17:16

NameChange9854

If a person is down to their last pound of course they can be poorer.

But it means nothing when you are already worried about where your next meal is coming from.

Or you are missing meals so that your child can eat.
Or you are reliant on the school the provide any uniform.

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Bearbehind · 09/07/2019 17:17

minty and hate Brexit is the biggest thing to happen in most of our generations.

You might not want to discuss it so you can easily avoid the threads.

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maddening · 09/07/2019 17:18

Agree namechange - increase unemployment = less taxes in = less money to spread around in benefits, the poor certainly can get poorer

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Bearbehind · 09/07/2019 17:19

Are you including those that have nowhere left to fall in your second camp?
Those that are already on the breadline and are using foodbanks etc.
These people will be no worse off. Why?
Because they have nothing to begin with

boney I disagree - if there is generally less to go round how will things like food banks even survive?

They rely on donations - if the lowest income donators can no longer afford to do so - then what?

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HateIsNotGood · 09/07/2019 17:20

Good point there jas - about a few £ a week being a lot to many people. Even though the studies have found that FOM has a positive economic effect all these studies have also found that there is a negative impact on the low-paid.

This impact is described as "small" and equates to £8pw - which is actually quite significant to the many people that are on the 'breadline'.

BoneyBackJefferson · 09/07/2019 17:21

Littletabbyocelot

Where I grew up, the two largest (only) businesses where bought by EU companies that then fired everyone (after the allotted legal time) and closed the companies down.

And this was before brexit.

BoneyBackJefferson · 09/07/2019 17:23

Bearbehind

I disagree - if there is generally less to go round how will things like food banks even survive?

Yes a valid point and yet you still don't see or are ignoring that these people already have nothing.

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Bearbehind · 09/07/2019 17:25

The vote is really interesting, out of 163 votes

Currently

53% YANBU
47% YABU

So it looks like there’s going to be a lot of people who are perfectly happy being worse off but out of the EU.

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HateIsNotGood · 09/07/2019 17:26

And Bear I'm more than happy to discuss it - better in AIBU than the Brexit Boards - which opens up the discussion to a wider MN audience who might feel less jumped on and hounded than if they ventured onto the Brexit Board.

BoneyBackJefferson · 09/07/2019 17:27

Bearbehind

What is interesting is that years after the original referendum the vote is split pretty much the same as it always has been.

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Bearbehind · 09/07/2019 17:27

Yes a valid point and yet you still don't see or are ignoring that these people already have nothing.

Eh? How am I ignoring them?

If you mean because I disagree with their choice to vote leave then that’s not ignoring them.

It’s saying that referendum was never going to change their situation for the better

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BlamesFartsOnTheNeighbour · 09/07/2019 17:28

Would you give up £1million pounds, and share it out between 10 strangers?

If I had one million quid to my name, no. If I were Bill Gates, why not?

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Bearbehind · 09/07/2019 17:28

I'm more than happy to discuss it - better in AIBU than the Brexit Boards - which opens up the discussion to a wider MN audience who might feel less jumped on and hounded than if they ventured onto the Brexit Board.

Agreed - so stop moaning about it then! 😂

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BoneyBackJefferson · 09/07/2019 17:29

Bearbehind

It’s saying that referendum was never going to change their situation for the better

Yes, and that includes if the remain side won.

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Bearbehind · 09/07/2019 17:31

What is interesting is that years after the original referendum the vote is split pretty much the same as it always has been.

Indeed - which is why I’ve long thought the only resolution now is no deal Brexit.

It’s the only way to prove if life will be better or worse.

Sadly, if it’s worse we all have to live with that.

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Bearbehind · 09/07/2019 17:32

Yes, and that includes if the remain side won.

There was a much higher probability that Remain wasn’t going to make it worse though.

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BoneyBackJefferson · 09/07/2019 17:34

Bearbehind

Sadly, if it’s worse we all have to live with that.

But if its better will you and all the other remainers that have been proved wrong apologise for all the bullshit, bile and fuckwittery that you have put on others for having a different view.

Or will you all sit back and pretend that it was always a good idea?

BoneyBackJefferson · 09/07/2019 17:35

Bearbehind

There was a much higher probability that Remain wasn’t going to make it worse though.

and is that such a fantastic deal? Only if you are looking from the outside in.

Dapplegrey · 09/07/2019 17:35

minty and hate Brexit is the biggest thing to happen in most of our generations.

Yes but you ask the same questions over and over and you get the same answers.
Maybe you just enjoy the rows.

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Bearbehind · 09/07/2019 17:36

But if its better will you and all the other remainers that have been proved wrong apologise for all the bullshit, bile and fuckwittery that you have put on others for having a different view.

Absolutely. I’d love to be proved wrong because it would mean none of us were suffering for the decision that was made.

Unfortunately there is virtually no evidence to support the fact it will be better, or even as good.

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Bearbehind · 09/07/2019 17:37

I’m not rowing with anyone dapple.

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BoneyBackJefferson · 09/07/2019 17:38

Bearbehind

There is no "evidence" in either direction. just opinions by 'experts' that have a loaded bias in the outcome.

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Bearbehind · 09/07/2019 17:42

boney I think we’ll have to agree to disagree there.

If the governments own impact assessments say it is going to be damaging, and they are the people trying to deliver this, it’s safe to assume it’s not looking good

It if was all hunky dory why didn’t we leave on the 2 occasions we could have already?

It’s because we are not getting to keep all the good bits with none of the downsides as expected and those who are honest enough to admit that can see there’s going to be a price to pay.

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Dapplegrey · 09/07/2019 17:46

I’m not rowing with anyone dapple.

Maybe you’re not but there are plenty of rows on your threads between others.
Have you actually read anything new on this latest thread which I guess is probably the 10,000th one that you’ve started?

Teddybear45 · 09/07/2019 17:48

The truth regarding Netflix, Apple, Amazon and Starbucks and Macdonalds’ sales figures will start to come out when we leave Europe; just how it did when the banking industry began to set up UK specific headquarters. We are Europe’s biggest consumer market but many big name companies were using EU tax laws to make it seem like their European operations were their biggest markets (while the UK was making losses) which just didn’t make sense.

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