To ask if those who want to leave the EU are happy to be personally worse off in order to do so

[Bearbehind]

Following lots of discussion on the subject, it’s clear that leaving the EU is based on something other than financial impact, however, even the government’s impact assessments make it clear that there will be a negative impact.

Would you still chose to leave if you knew it would make you personally financially worse off?

I maybe??? What does THAT mean

Should be

Maybe

the DUP issue was that NI would be in CU and the rest of the UK wouldn’t be.
Precisely- their issue was different treatment for NI on that - i.e. not primarily about immigration, as I said.

family I’m completely baffled.

Of course it was about immigration - if NI were to be treated the same as the rest of the EU we’d need to retain FOM everywhere.

TM wouldn’t do that because immigration is the biggest Brexit red line.

I know quite a few people who voted leave knowing that things would be difficult and they would probably suffer for a while

But with the hope things would get better

And when they are still earning the same money as they were 12ish years ago, when they have been struggling for years and feel they have been left behind and let down by consecutive governments I don’t blame them for taking that gamble

Something that Leave understand was important to many voters and sadly Remain didn’t even address - a chance for a real change

You aren't half snippy familycourtq. I was picking up on the fact that it seems the OP has repeatedly asked for answers to the same or very similar questions on this thread and several threads over time on MN. I merely made the point that the oft quoted demographic of the typical Leave voter are unlikely to frequent MN and therefore the OP would not get answers from them on this forum.

I have recognised the fact that Leavers who inhabit MN have answered the questions but this in itself will give a very narrow view as it is not representative of what is perceived to be the core or largest proportion of Leave voters.

I'm struggling to understand why you have such an issue with my comments, I am not denigrating you or denying that you have responded.

OP now you seem to be saying FOM=immigration when you congratulated a previous poster for pointing out they aren’t. Make your mind up.

@CassandraCross I am not trying to snippy. If you meant to say the answers wouldn’t include a representative cross section of Leave Voters you could have said that but you didn’t - that’s all.

Bearbehind
I d love to know how you work that one out boney! 😂

Because its you and other remainers that keep bringing it up

FOM and EU immigration are essentially the same thing.

I also pointed out that many Leavers don’t realise that the non-white foreigners aren’t even a consideration in Brexit.

Something that Leave understand was important to many voters and sadly Remain didn’t even address - a chance for a real change

The problem Remainers have with that is it had nothing to do with the EU. So you’re left with trying to make something better, after chopping it’s arms and legs off.

Btw @CassandraCross I highly doubt any of us except maybe MN towers and maybe Google et al has much clue what the demographic Venn diagram intersection between the majority of Leave voters and MN accounts is - despite Leavers being generally unwelcome.

Because its you and other remainers that keep bringing it up

Because most Leavers won’t admit it’s the real root of the issue.

Having said that, there are plenty that make no bones about the fact this is all about foreigners in ‘our’ country.

Take our friend on this thread who thinks we need to produce more white British children.

Why would the red line of FOM be immovable if it wasn’t such a priority?

familycourtq you seem to be the only one who took such exception, another poster who read the same comment and responded seemed to understand perfectly and if you are not trying to be snippy you are doing a great impression of someone who is.

I also pointed out that many Leavers don’t realise that the non-white foreigners aren’t even a consideration in Brexit.
You seem to use “many” as a synonym for “some” .

I'd take a crack at it and I bet I wouldn't be far off familycourtq.

Any is too many.

Ok, now any, some and many are synonymous fair enough.

Bearbehind

Because most Leavers won’t admit it’s the real root of the issue.

If you actually think about it, that might just be because for most leavers its not the root of the issue and its just your preconceived bias that is leading you down that road?

So one person for you is many?

I can (and agree) with one person being too many.

d take a crack at it and I bet I wouldn't be far off familycourtq.

I’d put a stack of cash on you being way off. But I have no money for gambling and we’ll never know.

boney if it isn’t about FOM why haven’t we dropped that red line and left already?

I bet if you posted that suggestion on the Pro-Brexit FB pages you’d be savaged.

The pound falling make our goods and services cheaper so they become very attractive to other countries shopping around

In the case of Germany I suspect joining the Euro and the having it devalued by poorer countries like Greece etc joining made Germany a more attractive proposition as opposed to them keeping the strong Deutschmark and pricing themselves out of the marketplace

You don't really know much do you?

The £ has depreciated fairly consistently against the Euro since '99, something like a 40% decline - yet UK exports have not been booming, Germany on the other hand was a v strong exporting nation long before the euro and did well against the $ too, what the euro has helped and enabled Germany to do is make profit to reinvest locally, due to their business culture of not selling out homegrown success stories, keep that profit in Germany.
The UK will take a successful company and sell it, money moves out, together with Rnd and talent.SFA to do with FX or the EU.

Raw materials have to be imported, especially energy - increasing the costs of both goods transported/sold here and ones we make for export, a lose lose situation.....
at precisely what point do you feel the £ should fall to? say 10 cents to the £ ?
Our exports would be sooooooo cheap!!! according to brexitier logic LOL!

kindergarten economics.

Pity I'm always up for winning a stack of cash.

Difference between the 1930s and now: www.marc-cornelius.co.uk/i-want-my-country-back/

Maybe I should start a thread asking if Brexit is about immigration - not least because it would really piss minty off 😂

Bearbehind
if it isn’t about FOM why haven’t we dropped that red line and left already?

You could always ask your MP as they should know more than we do.

I bet if you posted that suggestion on the Pro-Brexit FB pages you’d be savaged.

I wouldn't know, unlike you I don't spend any time on the Pro-Brexit pages on facebook.