To ask if those who want to leave the EU are happy to be personally worse off in order to do so

[Bearbehind]

Following lots of discussion on the subject, it’s clear that leaving the EU is based on something other than financial impact, however, even the government’s impact assessments make it clear that there will be a negative impact.

Would you still chose to leave if you knew it would make you personally financially worse off?

Believe me, I don’t spend time on them at all. I looked and was horrified and disgusted. But if you look you’ll see what I mean - for the hard core Brexiteers this is about nothing other than getting rid of Johnny Foreigner.

The problem Remainers have with that is it had nothing to do with the EU. So you’re left with trying to make something better, after chopping it’s arms and legs off

I posted that Remain didn’t even address the issue (in the referendum campaign) not Remainers as what you or I think now or then is irrelevant to how millions of others voted
Neither did Remain (campaign) address the issue of immigration

They just kept telling voters if Leave win well you will suffer ignoring the fact many many people were saying we are suffering and have been for years

The power of being heard and listened to is so underestimated

The power of being heard and listened to is so underestimated

And how many of us can now say they are being heard and listen to now?

Didn’t exactly work did it?

Bearbehind

And how many of us can now say they are being heard and listen to now?
Didn’t exactly work did it?

Interest isn't it.

Seems that you only care about not being listened to when its your voice that isn't being heard.

Shame that you didn't listen so many years ago.

I've always been interested in how anyone knows which areas have high immigration or not!

A census went round and my cousin was then living in area where whilst multi cultural etc suddenly seemed to have mass influx of Eastern Europeans. The house next to hers had constant flow of residents and it was hmo (not official) they barely spoke English.. There's no way they would have opened and completed the census.

No registering with docs, cash in hand mobile work eg car wash...

Where would they be registered?

That wasn't the only set up so when people say area of low immigration it reminds me of cousin.

How would anyone know?

Isn't this one of the massive issues that it caused, because pressure on services went up massively but council budgets didn't.... Because no one knew who was there? Officially....

boney stop twisting everything to suit your cause.

I was using ‘us’ as an inclusive term.

Leavers aren’t being listened to either.

If they were we’d had have left.

If those who voted as a protest were being listened to then their lives should surely have improved after 3 years - has that happened?

burps immigrants who are ‘off the grid’ can’t be a drain on taxes and resources.

Bear they could contribute to a shortage of housing. I think that’s what the poster is trying to say?

Not a massive burden if they are over occupying though

Bearbehind
boney stop twisting everything to suit your cause.

Its called having an opinion, for someone that starts so many threads on this and claims to want to hear others opinions you are so short sighted.

You seem to be unwilling to understand other people's views.

Frankly its shit like this that has caused the problem in the first place.

As for

If those who voted as a protest were being listened to then their lives should surely have improved after 3 years - has that happened?

That is also just twisting things to suit your cause.

You see that we can both play this game and it gets us no where.

You still think that this is all about immigration, yet after being repeatedly told that this is not the case you cannot even shift your ideology one single step.

And if people had been listened too and the problems sorted we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

@Burpsandrustles NIN, HMRC etc. When I applied for settled status they checked my years in UK against my HMRC record.

immigrants who are ‘off the grid’ can’t be a drain on taxes and resources.
Actually some might. You still get treated in a hospital, get help from charities etc. But it's such a miniscule number🤷

the Leave campaign did acknowledge that many people felt left behind, that many people had suffered for years and were desperate for things that to change

The referendum was a chance for that change

Remain - the clue is in the campaign name

Also FOM and immigration are really not the same thing

And if people had been listened too and the problems sorted we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place

Exactly

Still we have the likes of Farage, in the US they have Trump to keep reminding those millions who feel that way and who governments have too often ignored

Why is it twisting things to question the impact of a protest vote when nothing has changed for those protest voters after 3 years and there’s absolutely nothing on the horizon to indicate it will ever change?

Boris Johnson’s priority is to reduce the tax burden on those who earn up to £80k

Why is it twisting things to question why, if Brexit isn’t primarily about immigration, haven’t we dropped FOM and stayed in a SM/CU type agreement and left already?

@Why is it twisting things to question why, if Brexit isn’t primarily about immigration, haven’t we dropped FOM and stayed in a SM/CU type agreement and left already? Because there is well over 1mil of brits in eu who are predominantly voters and they would be fucked. Think of the pensioners in Spain fgs🙈

Sorry. Bold/tag fail

I’m not sure anyone voted Leave for things to improve while we are still in the EU or while we were preparing to leave

People voted hoping things would improve when we leave the EU

You’ve lost me there ninja surely Brits abroad benefit from FOM

Bearbehind

Why is it twisting things to have a different opinion to you?

The answer to all your questions about why that include leaving are simple and I answered it upthread.

To recap because you CBA to look, inept politicians that won't do their job because they are afraid of losing their cushy number in parliament.

I don’t want to be worse off.

@Bearbehind sorry I misread the question! Apologies

the Leave campaign did acknowledge that many people felt left behind, that many people had suffered for years and were desperate for things that to change

The referendum was a chance for that change

Well, perhaps that maybe true for some, ie the so called the precariat, who account for about 15% of the population. .... (& targeted by leave) unfortunately for them, brexit will make them even worse off, with less resource, less say.... it's always the case in any form of revolution or significant change.
www.the-sse.org/news/charlotte-young-our-opportunity-to-establish-a-new-trust-society/

I recently met this remarkable woman on hols.

However, the same cannot be said for many other better off leave voters, whom immigration was the issue, its disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

Neither mine or DH's job is dependent on the EU. But we have greater concerns. Our DS was diagnosed with cancer last year, for the second time, and required treatment via radioactive isotopes. The isotopes are also used for diagnostic scans. We can't produce them in the UK, we have to import them from the EO via Euratom. Some have a half life of just 6 hours.

Imagine them stuck at a border control for several hours where now they are just waved through. They will be almost useless by the time they arrive in the UK. This is just one but very important part of our EU membership.

If we Brexit, I fully expect to see threads on here on AIBU from very worried people about significant delays to diagnostic scans and treatments.

But yeah, sovereignty, control of our borders and laws. Which we always bloody well had.

jasjas1973
However, the same cannot be said for many other better off leave voters, whom immigration was the issue, its disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

It is also dishonest to state that immigration is an issue for all leavers.