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Party organisation - is MIL being ungrateful or are we unreasonable?

203 replies

verticality · 08/07/2019 09:55

My MIL is in her early 70s. When she turned 70, we threw her a family party - basically, a long weekend away at a cottage, day-long activities she enjoyed, and home-cooked three course meals every night. The four of us (her two children, and two partners) paid for and organised the accommodation and all the food and wine, did all the cooking, and baked and decorated a special cake (which, incidentally, she was very rude about).

The organisation of all of this fell largely on me and my BIL's partner, at a time when both of us were stressed. My husband and I were having major building work done, and my husband's work was insanely busy, so he was never home and I was left handling builders myself. When I turned 40 a few months before my MIL turned 70, my celebratory 'treat' was watching a concrete floor be poured because we had no spare cash! Part of the reason for that was that anything we had was either going into the house or towards her birthday treat!

I sucked it up because, hey, I'm a grown up and this is what you do.
(However, words were had after this about the division of labour/wife work in terms of families after this. I did have a DH problem wrt to him 'outsourcing' his family carework onto me, and boundaries have been firmly drawn).

So it came as something of a surprise when MIL announced this weekend that she is 'sick of organising her own parties', and that she expects all of us to 'step up and arrange things for her in future'!! The tone was very much that we were all a major disappointment to her, despite the fact that we'd tried quite hard at a difficult time. When we were a bit taken aback and asked her what she meant, it turns out that she expects us to organise not only a weekend away but also a much bigger party involving all of her friends from the place where she lives, which is roughly 300 miles away from where we live! We don't know these people and I am honestly not sure how on earth it would work practically - we would have no idea where to send invitations/whom to invite.

I've never expected anyone who wasn't my partner to organise anything for me beyond the age of 12, and even then my expectations haven't been particularly high. Is it normal for people to demand that sons/daughters organise absolutely everything for their significant birthdays? What is normal in terms of time? PIL have both been retired for ages, and FIL never so much as lifts a finger to help towards any family occasion, despite being 100% capable and competent. Isn't it more his job to arrange his wife's birthday events, or AIBU?

Also: what is normal in terms of financing these things? These weekends away run to a cost of hundreds (FIL's 70th a few years ago was upwards of £700 per couple, MIL's was upwards of £500), and we would honestly struggle financially to organise a big party on top.

This is likely to come up again when we see them in future, so I would like to have some kind of response prepared. I was so surprised this weekend that I was speechless, which meant that I didn't really assert myself at all Sad. What is reasonable, oh wise vipers of Mumsnet?

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Rachelover40 · 08/07/2019 12:13

She sounds unbelievably mean, I'm shocked! You arranged something lovely for her 70th, to expect more is unrealistic. If she had said that to me I know I'd have burst into tears with hurt.

Honestly, most people receive a gift and are taken out for a meal and/or theatre - and are more than happy with that.

quizqueen · 08/07/2019 12:16

Tell her she owes you a belated 40th birthday party, which you had to forego to organise her 70th!!!!!

Walnutwhipster · 08/07/2019 12:19

I must admit that we did throw a huge Golden wedding for PIL and paid for it along with DH's sisters. We also threw a surprise party for DM's 70th along with my siblings. The difference is we wanted to.

QueenofallIsee · 08/07/2019 12:26

I’d be tempted to say ‘stick your parties up your arse you ungrateful cow’.
In reality, I’d probably say ‘I am not going to organise and pay for anymore, you were quite rude about the effort I made for your 70th which was thrown at the expense of my own 40th birthday. If you want a party get your husband to throw you one or speak to your sons’

CurbsideProphet · 08/07/2019 12:28

I would be asking with faux concern if she is unwell, as clearly she has forgotten the burthday weekend that you arranged and paid for.

You sound a far more lovely DIL than she deserves. What an absolute cheek.

MyInnerAlto · 08/07/2019 12:48

'Now you've been so very rude and dismissive about the effort and expense we all went to for your 70th, and after you were extremely rude about the cake I made for you in front of your guests, I think what you're expecting is rather presumptuous and I won't be rewarding your rudeness or letting myself in for more of it.' Delivered in a calm but slightly shocked manner, as if you were dealing with a rude child. She needs to not be humoured at all in this.

LadyAddle · 08/07/2019 13:14

She sounds absolutely spoilt and rude, and does not deserve thoughtful kind DILs like you and your SIL. I'm coming up for 70, but know exactly how busy my lovely daughter and equally lovely son in law are with children, work, & house - I wouldn't dream of landing them with demands like this. Definitely take a step back on her.

Hollyhobbi · 08/07/2019 13:27

Quizqueen has it in one!

Contraceptionismyfriend · 08/07/2019 13:30

Don't get involved. When she brings it up just ignore her. She's not your problem so let your husband be the one to sit there and speak up.

But say to him in private that he is not to spend over £X amount on her birthday. No more than a nice present or bunch of flowers.

MRex · 08/07/2019 13:32

She's being very unreasonable.

"Sorry the trip away for your 70th wasn't what you wanted. We're very happy to do a party instead for your 75th, which is your next milestone birthday. Please send us your list of invitees and their contact details nearer the time."

PinkSquidgyPig · 08/07/2019 13:46

Just before my Dd's 7th Birthday I discovered that my DM had got her a present which was supposed to be the toy my DD has really hoped for. But instead was a cheap, ineffective substitute. Mum thought it was fine. But I knew DD would be very disappointed. I took this opportunity to explain to her that if someone has given you a present you don't like you should say thank you nicely and give them a hug as usual. This is good manners and saves hurting DM's feelings. My DD has not had many occasions to practice this. But she knows it's the right thing to do.
Does your DM not know that basic aspect of etiquette?

I also explained that I would get her the real thing on this occasion, 'cos y'know, she was 6 years old!!

verticality · 08/07/2019 14:12

I'm very much going to go with the consensus on this thread: stay out of it personally as not my problem, and perhaps suggest DH/BIL to do a bit of a catered party for the next milestone Smile. Thanks very much for the advice - it is appreciated.

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StripeySocks29 · 08/07/2019 19:51

If I were you I wouldn’t even be attending her next party, never mind organising and paying for it! In our family it’s just a meal out at the restaurant of the birthday person’s choosing and FIL picks up the bill, because he makes more money then the rest of us and he’s happy to do it Grin

pallisers · 08/07/2019 19:57

"Well your next big birthday isn't for a while off yet but I am done organising, this is down to fil or your sons, I did loads for your 70th, as did sil and honestly you were so ungrateful about it that I am laying my cards on the table now and saying that I am not on the organisation committee for any future events so I don't need to be apart of any more demands or conversations about any birthdays"

this completely.

I would not be doing anything for a woman who criticised a cake I made for her. Why would you?

We did a nice dinner for my parents' 70th. A small family party for 75. A bigger party in a hotel for 80th. MIL and Mum were both terribly terribly grateful - couldn't thank us enough, thought we were the best ever. You mil sounds ungrateful and miserable.

FetchezLaVache · 08/07/2019 20:09

Even if she had wanted a party RATHER THAN the family weekend away, that wouldn't justify her gracelessness and ingratitude, but OP has made it clear several times that she wanted both, which I think just makes it so much worse. Entitled, spoilt and really rude.

My lovely MIL is 70 in a few weeks and she is throwing two parties and catering both herself. We'll be lucky if we're allowed to bring a pudding!

boosterrooster · 08/07/2019 20:37

No this isn't normal. She sounds like a spoilt brat. You've done more than enough already

verticality · 16/09/2019 09:29

So, an update!

The anniversary happened a few weeks ago and grew into a whole weekend event, costing thousands and thousands of pounds. (Organised and paid for by PIL). DH, I, BIL and SIL clubbed together and bought what is (for our budgets) a fairly expensive present (£700). I realise this isn't much by Mumsnet wealth standards, but none of us are in super high paid jobs and we had to scrimp and save on a holiday to do it. We also brought a substantial amount of alcohol, and did a significant amount of work transporting everything that was needed to the venue and carrying furniture and tables around to set everything up. The present was received without much in the way of thanks, despite the fact that SIL (who is a talented and successful artist) had spent ages working for free on a hand-produced piece of art to accompany it, in a style that we know they very much like (of old fashioned railway posters; yes, art is subjective but you'll just have to take my word for it that it was a classy and beautiful piece. If someone had spent all that time producing something so lovely for me, I would be in tears of gratitude).

MIL then proceeded to order all of us around like servants for the entire weekend. To me, she literally barked orders in stentorian tones with all the grace and elegance of a drill sergeant. ("GET THE CHAMPAGNE NOW VERTICALITY!" "WE NEED MORE WINE - FETCH IT!"). I am not exaggerating when I say that the tone was that with which you would address a refractory dog. At one point she literally screamed at me for taking a jug of water downstairs because one had just gone (I knew this, I had already emptied it in the glasses of guests who were elderly and out in the sunshine, and needed a refill). Guests were actually commenting (in a jokey, polite way) about it, and several of them came over personally to thank me for all the work I was doing, as if in apology. The worst of it was quite clearly and directly addressed at me, which at least has dragged her personal dislike of me into the open for all to see.

The long and short of it is that I waited hand and foot on their guests without so much as a 'please' during the entire time (and trust me, I was listening out for it!). DH helped a lot, as did BIL and SIL. The only thanks we received at the end was extremely grudging.

DH wanted to say something, but because it was 'their' weekend and a relatively public situation, I didn't feel it was appropriate. However, after a conversation we agreed that the next time we are in a family group and she issues a peremptory order, I will (gently but firmly) add "please" at the end of the sentence to point out her utter lack of manners.

We will also not be spending more than a few hours with them at Christmas now. After being treated this was, I will also absolutely NOT be arranging parties or weekends when it comes aroung to 80th birthdays.

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Windydaysuponus · 16/09/2019 09:32

Yabu not to have invoiced her for your services....

Drum2018 · 16/09/2019 09:34

What a bitch. She wanted to make herself look important as if lording it over you all in front of her friends. Lucky for you they could see through her. I wouldn't be attending any more family gatherings, let alone organising or helping at them. Let that have been the last time an event takes place for either of them.

Grambler · 16/09/2019 09:37

It sounds like it won't just be you evaluating their relationship with her.

I'm wound up just listening to your description of the party.

cochineal7 · 16/09/2019 09:40

How that jug of water didn’t end up over her head I don’t know. You must be glad it’s over.

verticality · 16/09/2019 09:43

@cochineal7 Grin I didn't drink a drop of alcohol the whole weekend as I knew that even a glass of champagne might have pushed me over the edge!

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coffeeagogo · 16/09/2019 09:44

God she sounds awful - she really showed her true colours in front of her guests too. I think you have a perfect excuse not to bother at all at Christmas, I certainly wouldn’t!

BlessedBeTheFruitCake · 16/09/2019 09:50

Fuck. That. Shit. She sounds hideous. Don't blame you for wanting to spend minimal time with her at Christmas. Shock

EL8888 · 16/09/2019 10:02

She is totally ungrateful and mannerless. I would avoid Christmas, birthdays etc like the plague