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I can't do laundry when you're in your garden

618 replies

Fairylighting · 28/06/2019 13:38

Ok, so I really don't think IABU, but was chatting to a friend about this fiasco last night and thought it would be worth putting it to the MN jury! I'll try not to drip feed, but that means this might be rather long!

I live in the first floor flat of a Victorian terrace conversion in London. It's a share of freehold with the ground floor flat and we technically each own half of the garden; my the back half from my fire escape stairs to the back fence and them the front half, from their French doors to the bottom of my steps. The whole freehold and both properties were previously owned by the same person, who rented each flat out and the garden has never been physically split by a fence or hedge etc. When I moved in (at the about same time as my downstairs neighbours), we had a brief discussion whereby we decided to share the garden since it's very small and that seemed like the most sensible and beneficial way to enjoy it.

Since then, we've had a few (4x over 20 months) minor issues where one of them (let's call her Penelope) has sent a message to our shared WhatsApp group complaining about noise, most of which wasn't actually coming from my flat. For example, once when I was away for a weekend and another time when I was asleep in bed. Then, one morning after they had been disturbed by noise from my flat, after I'd had to make a phonecall late at night I got a WhatsApp message from Penelope requesting that I don't have the TV or radio on in my bedroom after 10.30pm Sunday-Thursday... in some ways that one was easy since I don't have a TV or radio in my bedroom.

After that, we arranged to meet up for a cuppa to discuss their issues and set a date to do so a couple of weeks later. A few days before that date I was in the garden with my mum, having a cup of tea, in the afternoon. Penelope came outside and explained that they were having guests over for lunch and felt exposed because we were in the garden, and requested that we went outside. I said that I didn't think that was a reasonable request and she went inside crying.

We then met for the planned chat and Penelope and her partner (he can be Samuel for the purposes of this thread) explained that the noise wasn't really an issue and that it hadn't happened very often, also that Penelope is a light sleeper and is probably more bothered about it because of that, so we dropped that issue. Penelope then started talking about the garden and how exposed they feel in their home, when I'm in the shared garden before Samuel suggested she might want to apologise for the events of the preceding weekend. She did so, and I explained how rude I had felt that was before she continued to explain how bothered they were by the whole issue. I expressed some sympathy but also said that I like using the garden and that it's one of the reasons I bought the flat. We agreed to share schedules so they and I could plan any events involving guests for times when the other party is away if possible. We did that over the course of the following week.

About a week later I got a message saying it was Penelope's birthday and asking whether I could therefore not use the garden, so they could relax in their home. The following day I got a message with some ideas for changing the garden in a way that would make it more open with fewer changes of level and planting. I replied to say that I was happy to chat it through but that it sounded like a lot of work and might also further reduce their privacy then the conversation went quiet.

Another week later I sent a message saying that I was considering buying some solar powered fairy lights for the garden and I got a really tetchy reply from Penelope, who was upset that they'd be shining light into their property all night long. I explained that we could just turn them on and off as we wanted to use them. This prompted another message asking me not to use the garden on the Saturday of that weekend, followed by a long message explaining how upset they are by my use of the garden and how it prevents them from doing laundry and cooking. Penelope said this has all triggered her depression and anxiety and that they're worried the lights will look tacky and encourage me to use the garden in the evenings.

I replied on WhatsApp saying I wanted to consider a proper response and drafted a long email over a few days, setting out the legal position and the fact that I want to use the garden (or at least my part of it) freely. I proposed a way forwards that included me and Samuel communicating until Penelope feels better, neither party making any changes to the garden in the short term, informing eachother of any abnormal use of the garden in advance, and that our default position would need to be a return to the legal split of the garden.

Anyway, that was two weeks ago and I haven't heard a peep since... What's happened?!

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SamBeckett · 29/06/2019 23:47

I think OP has gone digging holes to bury P for the fence post .
I would start by putting a washing line up then hanging enough of them to go across the garden .
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Meyoumeanmeh · 29/06/2019 23:52

He said Penelope is having a rough time at the moment and that it isn't really about the garden.

It does sound like she is having a few problems -walking off crying when you said you wouldn’t go in, asking for no tv / radio because you had made a phone call- but that isn’t your problem. Just stick the fence up, she can have privacy and you can sit in your garden.

EL8888 · 30/06/2019 00:18

God she's hard work! Plus controlling, manipulative, demanding and highly strung to a ridiculous degree. It's her problem which she's trying to make yours. I'm a light sleeper but don't make those demands on my neighbour or my partner who l live with. Yep both can watch TV after 10:30pm?! I vote ignore her noise texts. We have a very similar garden set up where we live and don't have these kind of issues. Don't get me wrong we have irritations with them not doing their share of gardening and dumping random tat in there but nothing of this level?! Maybe a fence is needed, yeah with you both going 50/50 on the cost!! I would carefully consult the deeds especially as it appears she thinks the garden is her. She mustn't have been taught to share and seems to want everything her way

MissBehaves · 30/06/2019 00:26

I have only read your OP but Penelope is extremely unreasonable.
You are far more accommodating than most would be when dealing with these demands and accusations.
Definitely fence off your part and I would also remove myself from the group WhatsApp too and totally disengage.
Good luck and YADNBU!! Wine

azulmariposa · 30/06/2019 00:39

Take a look at the deeds of your flat and fence off your part of the garden.

It's not reasonable for you not to use your garden as and when you want to. If they are unhappy with privacy issues then they could get curtains! Haha!
Seriously though, as long as you definitely own part of the garden, and as long as they don't have right if way/access, then separating the garden should prevent further complaints.

expat101 · 30/06/2019 00:47

I think once the backyard issue is sorted, Penelope will target you over something else. She seems to spend far too much time knowing your movements.

Samuel needs to help her find a hobby. Preferably away from the house.

returnofthecat · 30/06/2019 02:10

I would also put up a fence. She won't have use of a big garden anymore, but she also won't be able to see you in said garden. Might work out for the best for all parties.

SD1978 · 30/06/2019 02:25

Penelope's issues aren't your issues. You're not standing peering in at her. Youve generously offered to share the garden in a way that is advantageous to them. She's being unreasonable. It's very simple. Either she realises and accepts that it's not personal and you're not looking at her, or you erect a fence to not have to put up with her crap. That's the o it choice she has. No more accomodating and group chats. She needs to decide which is less of a problem/ you using a garden you're entitled to, and not using it in an antisocial way, or a fence. And u less there is a major noise issue- she needs to stop trying to enforce what you can and can't do it your own property. If she can't cope in a flat, they need to make the arrangements to move on.

PregnantSea · 30/06/2019 04:15

Penelope has mental health issues and I do feel for her because it sounds like she's having a really hard time. Still, that isn't your problem at all and this has all gotten very ridiculous. Stop communicating with them so much because you are encouraging Penelope's weird requests.

Most importantly - PUT UP A FENCE. Take the hit and have the smaller garden and be done with the whole thing. Life is too short for all of this nonsense.

PhoenixBuchanan · 30/06/2019 05:32

Yup, just fence the bloody thing and add trellis/shrubbery/whatever so it's completely enclosed and private. Penelope does sound like a nut job from the outside but I feel for her. We currently share a garden with our NDNs and even with a great relationship (we are friends, colleagues and both have young children) it can be really tricky sometimes. DH has taken to muttering "good fences make good neighbours" more and more often these days... I would never again agree to live somewhere with shared outside space!

Decormad38 · 30/06/2019 06:38

This will escalate. You need a fence. I couldn't live like this!

PurpleFlower1983 · 30/06/2019 06:45

Definitely get a fence!!

jillybeanclevertips · 30/06/2019 06:47

return to the actual title of the land, and forget about sharing. The gardens were divided for reason. This lady sounds like one who will never be pleased.

ispepsiok · 30/06/2019 07:08

Tell them straight that you are sick of being harassed by them over the use of your own garden. You will continue to use it (and decorate it) as you see fit as it is your own space and owned by you as part of your deeds. If they continue to complain, simply fence your own area off.

Stop letting them dictate the times that you can use your own garden, her anxiety over it is not your problem (and it sounds like they are trying to bully you into not using the garden so they can enjoy the space them selves)

Ayabbadabbado · 30/06/2019 08:19

It sounds like Penelope is unwell. This is not your problem and you are being far too accommodating. Put a fence up, you too need privacy.
Good luck!

CookPassBabtridge · 30/06/2019 08:56

Yes to a fence. I also can't understand how you being in the garden stops her doing laundry and cooking Confused

Weebleonaworkout · 30/06/2019 09:23

I'd say even if it isn't really about the garden as Samuel has suggested and shes having a rough time, she's sadly chosen that to become an issue to focus on. Get a fence. It can be just a low fence with taller planting to create the screen. You've then secured your boundary and that problem is solved. Sadly I think she'll then find something else to blame you for. Clearly needs help your neighbour but it's not your responsibility really. I can't imagine Samuel will be around much longer. Brace yourself.

Fakenametodayhey · 30/06/2019 10:57

Firstly she shpuld put nets up to protect her privacy.
It would have been obvious when she moved in that french doors and a shared garden will cause privacy issues. People do that with short front gardens.

Secondly. It sou ds like she is trying to wear you down into not using the garden anymore. Put up the fairy lights.

Allergictoironing · 30/06/2019 11:00

The thing that really confuses me is how on Earth does it prevent P from cooking???

Omfgareyouforreal · 30/06/2019 11:14

Penelope is a bit of a fruit bat! Put a fence up and ignore any future interaction and just carry on living your life as you see fit.

Hodge00079 · 30/06/2019 11:24

I guess she doesn’t like being in the kitchen when OP is in the garden. Sound like she wants all of the benefits of larger shared garden without the compromise that it entails.

In true I don’t think she is a flat with shared garden type of person.

By the sounds of it she is trying to wear OP down so it becomes just her garden.

fedup21 · 30/06/2019 12:02

It sounds like she wants to be as difficult as possible so that you simply stop using the garden and she gets it all to herself!

It’s lovely here today-I hope you are sitting out in the garden now!

Op come back and update us!

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