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AIBU to ask PIL if they have made the same financial provision for all GC

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BonitaBonita · 24/06/2019 20:55

Genuine AIBU here, I don't know if I would BU to do this.

We are LC with PIL, DH had a very difficult upbringing. BIL is an alcoholic and lives in sheltered accommodation. In 2016 BIL estranged child contacted them and said he was entering a very prestigious training scheme. I was very specific and clear and told them in no uncertain terms that this was not true as he did not have the qualifications required, that the emails he was showing them were from homemade email addresses etc. They chose not to listen and handed over £50k over a 12 month period. It eventually came out that DN was a drug addict and they stopped paying him and are now very bitter about his scam and their loss. They are wealthy and have received several large inheritances and have been on 6 holidays in the last 12 months so they are not hard up following this loss, but it must have been very hurtful.
DS is about to start Uni. IABU to ask them if they have made equal financial provision for all their GC's training and education?

I know it is their money and they will do with it as they wish, but I find it difficult that DS who is planning on studying medicine will rely on loans (we are below the income bracket for parental contribution but will help where we can) whilst his cousin was handed such a lot of money for no reason.

DH has never received any financial support from them and we have never asked for a penny. He will not ask for the good of his own mental health but is happy for me to 'do what ever you think is best'.

AIBU to ask?

OP posts:
HermioneMakepeace · 25/06/2019 00:06

In Asian cultures (by which I mean Chinese, etc) it is perfectly normal for grandparents to pay school fees, gift house deposits, help with childcare, etc.

I don't understand the English mentality of the older generation greedily stockpiling money that they don't need.

Durgasarrow · 25/06/2019 00:09

My first instinct is to say, this is not a question for an in-law to ask. But maybe you can think of some more charming way to ask than what you have come up with so far.

PregnantSea · 25/06/2019 00:11

Totally get you frustration, this situation is ridiculous and unfair, but you would still be very cheeky to ask. They aren't your parents, it's inappropriate.

I'd just forget about it. If they offer then great, but if not then you'll manage on your own just like you have your whole life up until now.

WorraLiberty · 25/06/2019 00:21

I don't understand the English mentality of the older generation greedily stockpiling money that they don't need.

It's not an 'English mentality' at all and it's not greedy to 'stockpile' your own hard earned money Hmm

TheHopefulTraveller · 25/06/2019 00:35

I wish more people remembered the OP's old posts. You would not be so harsh, by a long chalk. She is one of those MNers who pop into your head sometimes and you just hope it all worked out OK - though from the sounds of things it didn't really. Sad Please lay off her.

HermioneMakepeace · 25/06/2019 00:38

@WorraLiberty I think it is greedy, when you have family who might be struggling.

WorraLiberty · 25/06/2019 00:40

I literally have never seen the OP before and I'm not going to go digging through her old posts.

The facts are she's low contact with two people who have been scammed by their estranged grandchild who turned out to be a drug addict, to the tune of 50 thousand pounds.

She seems to not only have zero sympathy for them about that, but she's rubbing her hands together and openly admitting to being up for scamming them out of 50k too, by telling them lies in order to get her hands on their cash.

That's despicable behaviour no matter which way you look at it.

beyoncessweatband · 25/06/2019 00:41

If you have the balls, then ask. The worst answer is no. So long as you're prepared for that then cool

WorraLiberty · 25/06/2019 00:42

Hermione it's still not an 'English' mentality and I have no idea why you think it would be.

People tend not to want to hand their cash over to others who don't actually like them, even if they are family.

Would you be eager to do that?

HermioneMakepeace · 25/06/2019 00:51

@WorraLiberty My post was in response to someone asking if it was normal for English grandparents to pay school fees. My answer was a general answer, not specifically about the OP's issue.

And perhaps instead of 'English' I should have said 'Non-Chinese' Grin.

SleepingStandingUp · 25/06/2019 01:00

OP you think they'll say no, which will vindicate your feelings and justify nc. Even if thry said yes, you know it's a poisoned chalice.

You don't need to set them a challenge to fail in order to justify your current or ongoing relationship with them.

Either the 50k was given with the hope of control or it was given as guilt becuase their son raped a 14 yo whose 7 yo got took into care and you've presumably had little contact with since.

The money they give to their drug addict, hebephile son is given either out to continue to control him, or as guilt money be ause of how he's turned out.

Your son doesn't need that.

Decide what relationship you want with them going on, continue to encourage your smart son to stand on his own two feet and let it go

GlamGiraffe · 25/06/2019 01:23

Vague parallel dh has 2 kids in30s and 2 young ones with me. His bigkids always blatantly askig for loads of money straight out when was it always have it that easily. I had to empty my full life savings to pay d's school fees as he's given into a 30yr olds demands again. My children have grown up never to ask. I am aware of my teenagers needs and ensue his dad gives him as do I.our will arebeigcwritten so that our two will receive the large amounts the others have received then their splitwhich I few?won't go down well knowing them.

Anyway.i wouldn't ask I might frequently mention it. Say how much it will be u the first year alone etc how you wished you had funds o help . Your Dh really should be doing it as they're his parents say thrust be so proud of their grandson. Not GP can actually deny that. Say it's just a case of all the practicality from here on in. Intensive learning, intensive long hospital shift. No pay and debts as you can't afford any contribution like the majority of families can. Ah well it your calling, maybe god will look down fondly and you'll have a windfall. It's about framing right. Mighwork

Sorry for nonsense writing. On massive dose of my drugs fr my disability. Melting brain don't the smartest cookie at!

OpinionatedCyborg · 25/06/2019 01:24

@HermioneMakepeace Can you stop with your generalising, please? It's ridiculous and I'm failing to understand how you can not see the ridiculousness of your posts.

I know many Chinese families where grandparent's have not provided anything and children are brought up to in fact take care of their parent's and grandparent's and provide for them. You'll find that more people have this opinion as it's common in south Asian families.

Nonetheless, this does not apply to everyone. Every family is different regardless of ethnicity. STOP GENERALISING.

Hmm
TakeBathsNotDrugs · 25/06/2019 01:35

He can't cope with any of them other than at extreme arms length, so we are LC and ask for nothing.

I'd keep it that way. If his family are as bad you're saying to the point they affect your husbands mental health the way it does, I'd keep them at a distance like that.

I say this as someone whose father fully funded and supported my drug addict step brother through all sorts of stuff my brother and I could only dream of while leaving his biological children in poverty. My dad died leaving a lot of money to his stepson and my stepmum, of course five years later it's all gone up his nose and he's on benefits and stepmams money has probably gone up his nose too.

I'm no contact with the whole of my dads side of the family since my Dad died five years and it's the best decision I've ever made. They've got no power over me at all now and can't hurt me and that's priceless. I'd never go ask stepmam for money to fund my child through uni, if myself and her father can't do it then loans and a job it is. DD herself won't have any contact with them and the first year after I went no contact with them I made it clear I'd support dd in maintain contact and dh would have facilitated it and that option is and always will be open to her, but both dh and dd said no and they'd have ditched them long before I did as they saw the anxiety and stress they put on me with even just low contact. Can't lie, it felt good to know they supported me but if dd said tomorrow she wanted contact with them I'd support that and not make her feel like she can't.

Stepmam actually sent a cheque for dd of £1,000 a year after I went no contact with them, it was inside a bday card, dd tore it up saying it's a trap so she can say she only wants her money.

My brother also wants nothing to do with them but did the same with sil and the kids and said he wouldn't expect them to stop contact, sil is very bitter about not getting the same financial support as step brother and is often telling him he should be "getting his share" she stays in contact with them and I think it does hurt my brother a bit as sil will repay all their convos back to him and it brings some horrible memories for him and his own mental health suffers and seems to take a dip when she's been to visit them.

I think you need ask yourself if any amount of money is worth them holding this over your husbands head. Are they the type who'd be "we funded your son through uni and you can't even visit"

What will having to thank his parents for giving his son a generous amount of money do to his mental health given that he doesn't want to even ask them?

Instead of being bitter about the money they've given to others, feel proud and happy that your husband turned out differently and has a good settled life. That despite being raised by the same parents he's turned out so different to his brother, that he wasn't so fucked up to have had sex with a child and get her oregy, that your son is lucky to have parents who've raised him in a stable environment and is a functioning adult who can take a job to support himself through uni as others do. I wouldn't be bitter and jealous of your sons cousin as it sounds like he had a bad start and was born to child and had a deadbeat dad.

I agree it's not fair but like they say, life isn't fair and if you really do have your mind set on asking I think it maybe would be better for your son to ask them himself and not frame the request in a - you have cousin £50k so you have to give me the same, but in a "please could you help me" way.

Best of luck to all of you.

Tavannach · 25/06/2019 02:33

Either your DH or your DS could ask, if really necessary, but you really can't.

ZazieTheCat · 25/06/2019 03:01

No harm in asking for a bit of help for DS, but I would not phrase it like that.

“Equal financial provision for all GC” sounds a bit contractual/entitled/grabby/harsh.

Plus it will remind them of their bad experience which doubtless they will not be keen on and it could make them just snap closed to any suggestions.

But a simple “could you see yourselves helping DS out whilst he’s studying? We’re all so proud of him.” or similar wouldn’t hurt.

HermioneMakepeace · 25/06/2019 04:33

@HermioneMakepeace Can you stop with your generalising, please?

Yes, I'm sorry, you're right. I am generalising. I am just going through a hard time myself at the moment. We are struggling financially and are isolated. I get really jealous of my Chinese friends (50% of our friendship group) who are part of loving, close families who help each other.

But this isn't my thread so I'll butt out. Apologies again.

BarbarianMum · 25/06/2019 04:58

Hermione with care home fees set at c£1,000 a week and dementia on the rise maybe you could understand why some people stockpile money.

Wheresthecoffee92 · 25/06/2019 06:32

They're not going to pay. Sounds like they support BIL as he's hopeless. I'd be pissed off too but I don't think there's anything you can do about it... Your DH could ask but I think it would be a bit inappropriate for you to

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NauseousMum · 25/06/2019 07:17

Do you think your dh is wanting this raised by you so he can finally break ties and go nc? It sounds like he has the measure of their response.

I wouldn't bother, just cut them off since they sound awful people.

BonitaBonita · 25/06/2019 07:19

Thanks for all the reasonable input. I am of course ignoring all the nasty comments, AIBU is known for its absurdity Grin

I’ll think It all thru.

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CupoTeap · 25/06/2019 07:25

What's the worst that could happen if you ask? Might be nice for their money to go to something productive for a change. Maybe say ds hopes to help Alcoholics and drug addicts when he's graduated.

Circe32 · 25/06/2019 07:36

YABU and greedy

AyBeeCee10 · 25/06/2019 07:41

I actually think it would be disgusting for you to be so outrightly greedy and ask. You already know your dh doesnt have a good relationship with them so you are essentially saying that regardless they owe you their money. You aren't even their daughter! I cant believe you would even consider this. Its your duty as your ds parents to provide his financial needs for his studies , you seem to have got it in your head that you are somehow entitled to their money. Really?