To put up and shut up with the transphobia on here?

[thetonsillolith]

I am fully supportive of the LGBTQ community and don't feel it is my position to question or undermine those who believe they were born in the wrong body.

And yet i see literally hundreds of intolerant posts on here and say nothing. Probably because I'm worried about being shouted down.

This is part of the problem isn't it? I should speak up.

Does anybody else feel like this or is it just me?

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If one person lies about being homosexual does that mean that there's no such thing as homosexuality?

Are you implying that Karen White is lying about being trans? You can't have it both ways. If people have the right to identify as whatever sex they wish you don't then get to disown the unpleasant ones because it raises tricky questions.

In my head I'm a person not my sex

See, me I'm female both in body and mind.
It's a sense of self, and it's not easy to define which is why there's no easy explanation to the constant chant of "define womannn"

Posting a photo of Karen White as a representative of trans women = transphobia.

It's like posting a photo of Myra Hindley and saying, 'This is what women are like.'

How can people not see this?

Actually, anything flagrantly transphobic is deleted.

Then, when someone challenges the blatant hostile tone of the place, a load of the usual crowd jump in and say 'show me the transphobic posts'.

It's really easy to infer what the usual crowd would be saying if MN allowed them to.

For goodness sake, Bluestitch, way to totally miss what the poster actually said.
Or was that on purpose?

^Posting a photo of Karen White as a representative of trans women = transphobia.

It's like posting a photo of Myra Hindley and saying, 'This is what women are like.'

How can people not see this?^

This, absolutely this. It's like posting a picture of OJ Simpson and saying 'this guy represents black people'.

And arrogant to think that you know humanity better than the lived experience of someone else.

But you do think that a person who has lived their whole life in a male body can tell me, a person who has lived experience of being female that I don't know what a woman is. Right. There it is - double standards right there.

Posting a photo of Karen White as a representative of trans women = transphobia.

The prison service accepted KW as a woman and as a result women were sexually assaulted. This is where trans ideology, lobby groups and the push for self ID have led. You don't get to disown KW, they are as much a transwoman as anybody else.

OK. The theee issues which bother me most at them moment-and I am fully aware that the vast majority of trans people are not involved- are

1. The fact that crime statistics will be massively skewed, with crimes like rape (which requires a penis) being recorded as having been committed by women. This is already happening.
2. Women’s sport being affected by the participation of transwomen. This is already happening.
3. Safe spaces for women who have been hurt or traumatised by men admitting male bodied people. This is already happening.

Would anyone like to talk to me about how we reconcile what seem to be completely incompatible wants and needs? I know that these don’t affect the vast majority of women-trans or not, but they are important.

It's really easy to see what the usual crowd would be saying

Yes, but when the usual crowd even if the posts are pointed out or if they jumped out and bit them on the nose as the saying goes, still deny they are being as they can't see it......

This, absolutely this. It's like posting a picture of OJ Simpson and saying 'this guy represents black people'.

Accepting gender in sexual designated spaces means the likes of Karen white can exploit the lack of safety. Sex segregation exists for good reasons. Why would Karen white not be a woman but any other bloke can be a woman just because they feel like it. Practice what you preach

The thing about Karen White is they all said it'll never happen. And then it did happen.

...lesbian who object to having sex with someone with a penis being called “transphobes”?

I think it goes without saying that nobody should be pressured into having sex with someone they don't want to have sex with.

Are you saying that every single M-F trans person tries to force themselves on lesbians?

For goodness sake, Bluestitch, way to totally miss what the poster actually said.
Or was that on purpose?

Nah I see it all the time. The TWAW mantra but somehow still knowing who is a woman for dating purposes, or when a womb is needed for rent, or when it's time to lecture women to ignore their own needs and play nice, give up their spaces, stop talking about their rights.

And Myra Hindley is just as much a woman as any woman bluestitch.

The Myra Hindley point is a great one.

I think the problem is that most trans people just want to get on and live their lives in peace. BUT there are a few outspoken TRAs which give trans people a bad name. Likewise there are a few men (in particular it seems) willing to abuse the system and say they identify as a women for less than honest reasons.

It's a difficult situation and it's hard to say whose rights should 'trump' whose. In an ideal world nobody's would but we don't live in an ideal world.

I didn't say that calling that specific person a liar was transphobic. I said that calling the whole concept of trans "disturbing" was transphobic

I do find it disturbing that women and girls cannot call the police if a man is in their toilets just in case he might 'feel like a woman', yes.

I find it disturbing that the Vancouver Rape Crisis centre has been taken through the courts for 20 years, for not allowing a man to volunteer there. And that other refuges are kicking out women because they don't want to be in there with men who 'feel like a woman'.

I find it disturbing that rapes and murders of women are being attributed to women because the men who committed them 'feels like a woman'.

Of course this is disturbing.

Why are you not disturbed?

Marfisa - Yes, she is a woman.
That totally misses the point of what was actually said though.

Posting a photo of Karen White as a representative of trans women = transphobia

Karen White is a man.

Of course Myra Hindley is a woman

See what I mean, Blue stitch?
Even when pointed out, points totally fly over heads or they can't see what's actually being said

@thetonsillolith I feel the same OP. I challenge the attitudes sometimes but often it’s just too bad for my mental health. This is a deeply transphobic website

Agree with other posters that I genuinely don't mind what other people do in their own lives. I'm not transphobic I absolutely agree that trans rights are human rights, but I also STILL believe that women's rights are human rights and one doesn't trump the other. I dont believe that people with a penis should infringe on female only spaces. They are there for a reason. Most violent crime is committed by people with penis' . That's why we have safe spaces for people without them. (Quite deliberately not using the term male, even though it's quite clear that's the issue.)