To put up and shut up with the transphobia on here?

[thetonsillolith]

I am fully supportive of the LGBTQ community and don't feel it is my position to question or undermine those who believe they were born in the wrong body.

And yet i see literally hundreds of intolerant posts on here and say nothing. Probably because I'm worried about being shouted down.

This is part of the problem isn't it? I should speak up.

Does anybody else feel like this or is it just me?

awaits tumbleweed*

As in nobody has said they're OK with letting all men in.
They're OK with transwomen though.
Therein lies the problem with some who don't want that though.

I’m also very grateful for mumsnet for allowing these discussions.

I still think the insulting language should stop.

Did you see that the brain bleach comment has been deleted? Because it is insulting and I guess as to whether you find it transphobic depends on whether you have safe search switched on or off.

MnHQ, please comment? I feel like i’m Going a bit mad here, unsupported when I try and call out this insulting language dragging these threads down.

As in nobody has said they're OK with letting all men in.
They're OK with transwomen though.

I'm not sure if there's enough space left on the thread to get into it unless we are precise and specific in our replies. I'll give it a go...

How do we know the difference between men and transwomen when we see them Lime. Bearing mind transwomen do not have to change their appearance to be trans?

"Transwomen who live as women share virtually every experience with me. They have to deal with feeling vulnerable walking home, dismissed in meetings, objectified by some men".

I'm genuinely shocked. I shall list why:
Pregnancy, birth, labour, endometriosis, P0S, female puberty, menstruation, 'pink for girls' = expectations from birth which don't include growing up to be an engineer/pilot/mechanic, a lifetime of conditioned caring/tolerating/excusing/forgiving behaviour, societal expectations from birth, enormously higher risk of breast cancer, cervical and ovarian cancer fears, prejudice in employment and unwillingness to employ fertile women, a lifetime of watching what we say, how we dress, where we go, how we get home.

There are millions more. Men who "live as" women haven't a clue and frankly, neither have you.

It shouldn’t have been deleted. It wasn’t the fact those people were trans that people needed brain bleach, it’s because the pictures were pornographic, on Twitter, in the public domain.

whether you have safe search switched on or off

I didn't click the link. Was I supposed to? Sorry I was giving my opinion based on the words only, not the image.

Don’t see how that dictionary definition is, as the poster suggests, “open to interpretation”

Well it isn’t, Butchy, which is part of the problem with these discussions. Outrageous statements are made, with no basis in fact, and women are pushed to argue over and over again. The rights that our forebears won for us are being thrown away by women who value being kind to troubled and/or aggressive men over the safety of vulnerable women.

BuzzShitbagBobbly

Do you have anything constructive or interesting to add to the discussion? It seems you’d rather criticise those who dare to have an opinion rather than challenge their points directly? I suppose that’s the easier thing to do, Make us out to be ‘bots’ Rather than have to engage your mind but its not very constructive.

No they aren’t.

When I search for trans girl on Twitter, Instagram, google images I don’t Get porn. It’s insulting to suggest #transgirl equals porn.

As in nobody has said they're OK with letting all men in
They're OK with transwomen though

What’s the difference exactly? Over 90% of them keep their penises when they transition.

You’d be happy sharing a prison cell or changing room with this lovely lady?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/11/transgender-prisoner-born-male-sexually-assaulted-female-inmates/

I said if the people were dressed if regular clothes having a coffee or something, that would be transphobic but if they're porn pictures then some people will say brain bleach.

AnyOldPrion
What is the definition of a female?
What is the definition of ‘denoting’?

It’s insulting to suggest #transgirl equals porn.

But were they saying that about transgirls or about the actual images that they saw?

Fairenuff

oh god I still have to bleach my brain after looking At the hashtag #transgirls on twitter

I think they are referring to the sexual element, not the fact that they are trans. So if the same models were just sat in a café wearing regular clothes they would not say they need brain bleach.

Did you search?
Or did you just assume that searching for #transgirls would lead to pornsgraphic images?

Some of the posts on here seem to me to be very dog whistly

It’s insulting to suggest #transgirl equals porn.

I don’t think it’s insulting to trans people to point out that a Twitter hashtag, if your search settings aren’t correct brings up pornographic images. I find it ridiculous that you can’t even criticise a hashtag without being called transphobic now.

'If you woke up tomorrow and your consciousness had been downloaded into a male body, would you be a man? Feel like a man? Immediately understand that you simply were not a woman, because the only thing that was determinative of that was your biological makeup?'

The plot line for Freaky Friday 2 is not the gotcha you think it is.

Are you insinuating that it is possible for “the wrong” consciousness to be downloaded into a body and that is what transgenderism is?

Dysmorphia of all kinds is a psychological disconnect between the reality of the body and a persons perception of the body. Errant consciousnesses are not being beamed into bodies via misaligned chakras or something equally woowoo and to propose legislation changes on such a notion is both dangerous and absurd.

LimeKiwi

Some of the posts on here seem to me to be very dog whistly

Simple question, should Katie Dolatowski, convicted of the sexual assault of a 10 year old girl in women’s toilets and out in the community wearing an ankle bracelet, be allowed in women’s toilets?

Well my point was if they saw an image of transgirls (really don't like using the word girls here as they are not children) just having a coffee and a chat and said they had to bleach their brain, I would agree that is transphobic.

If they saw a pornographic or sexualised image then I can understand their use of the phrase. It could be applied to any number of search related images.

I do agree it's open to interpretation though.

It’s always a bit dog whistly, I’m just happy to see these threads no longer turn into recipes when there’s different views presented.

The comment was

"Oh God, I still have to use brain bleach on a regular basis after googling #transgirls on Twitter.

Which makes no mention of pornagraphic imagery. The poster explained that she’d seen pornagraphic imagery whilst looking at that hash tag after I called her on it.

I still cannot find pornagraphic imagery whilst searching that hashtag. Apparently it might be because I have safe search switched on. I don’t think I have as I can see porn fine if I search for it (like googling fucking or something)

But yes, the assumption that #transgirls equals porn is insulting.

Does anyone else get porn whilst searching that hashtag

It’s always a bit dog whistly, I’m just happy to see these threads no longer turn into recipes when there’s different views presented
Well there is that, maybe because it's out in AIBU for a change, you get more dissenting voices instead of the echo
Soup recipes and weetabix would get laughed at more instead of entertained lol

Are you insinuating that it is possible for “the wrong” consciousness to be downloaded into a body and that is what transgenderism is?

No. It’s a thought experiment that shows the insanity of claiming that your understanding of yourself as a woman is exclusively because you have a biologically female body. If that body suddenly switched to male, you would not suddenly yourself feel you were a man.

So no answer then LimeKiwi? Always the way. As soon as a predator is mentioned, the logic falls apart.