To put up and shut up with the transphobia on here?

[thetonsillolith]

I am fully supportive of the LGBTQ community and don't feel it is my position to question or undermine those who believe they were born in the wrong body.

And yet i see literally hundreds of intolerant posts on here and say nothing. Probably because I'm worried about being shouted down.

This is part of the problem isn't it? I should speak up.

Does anybody else feel like this or is it just me?

awaits tumbleweed*

You’re being even more disingenuous now. “Living as an adult human female” is the definition of living as a woman. Living as an adult human female means having functioning brainwave activity in the body of a human who has reached full maturity, who is of the sex which produces non-motile gametes.

@AnyOldPrion

What's with the he/she?

Do you refer to all posters on here in that way?

You are kind of proving the point that some of us made earlier - isn't anything not toeing the party line and the accusations of"man" start. It is possible for women to have different views you know.

Interesting that some women think that all women think the same isn't it?

What's with the he/she?

It is called 'not assuming anyone's gender'.

oh god I still have to bleach my brain after looking At the hashtag #transgirls on twitter

I searched and am getting a lot of Japanese anime. Plus a photo of some nachos someone made after “scrumptious sex” hashtags #delish #foodporn #tasty #pornstar #transgirls #transgender.

Am I doing something wrong?

I’ve said that definition is open to interpretation.

You disagree, that’s fine. I don’t care how you interpret the word ‘denotes’ to be or what qualifies as a woman for you.

I’ve simply copied the dictionary definition.

I don’t get off on invalidating people and their experiences, couldn’t care less what you or anyone else views as a woman. All I care about is that everyone is free to live their lives as they wish free of prejudice and hate as long as it does not directly harm others.

Calling a transwoman a ‘woman’ when talking about or addressing her, does not directly harm anybody.

It is out of spite and the need to feel superior that you refuse to.

Fyette

Karen White is a man who raped women with his penis. Women do not rape. Sexual assaults be females are rare, the threat is not the same. I find your comments really objectionable tbh

Butchyrestingface

Anyoldprion has posted it about 3 posts above yours

If you woke up tomorrow and your consciousness had been downloaded into a male body, would you be a man? Feel like a man? Immediately understand that you simply were not a woman, because the only thing that was determinative of that was your biological makeup?

No?

Then you understand that it’s not just about your genitals / chromosomes / DNA.

It is out of spite and the need to feel superior that you refuse to. making personal insults violates MN rules

The calling me a he/she is his/her way of making his/herself feel superior and getting ready to start his/her assumptions that me/them is a man/TRA.

Anyoldprion has posted it about 3 posts above yours

You realise I’ve posted multiple posts on this thread? Which post? Which page? What time?

I consider it pretty bad etiquette in a poster to ask other posters to provide them with links but not be willing to do the same themselves.

You disagree, that’s fine. I don’t care how you interpret the word ‘denotes’ to be or what qualifies as a woman for you.

Except we are talking about law and policy in society here, so actually, definitions and facts do matter.

I agree with you that, if it's not affecting anyone else, then I don't care what anyone chooses to do with their lives. But it does affect women. And anyone who does believe this is either naive, in denial or is just being plain old disingenous.

So DecomposingComposers we have already had the discussion about why the 'denoting' in that definition isn't the gotcha that people think it is. So I reject whatever she was saying based on that and am waiting for an aruument back.

That's fine. You don't agree with her definition. You have a different definition - that's great.

JessicaWakefieldSV

Interesting. Who was the personal attack to? I wasn’t addressing anyone personally which is the definition of a personal attack is it not?

If you woke up tomorrow and your consciousness had been downloaded into a male body, would you be a man?

This has not happened though has it?

You cannot base policy on a thought experiment.

Butchy resting face, me too.

I have no idea how sackifrice gets that from that search. Maybe she’s broken her twitter somehow?

Butchyrestingface

I think it's a screenshot on the previous page.

Basically someone was trying to make a point that 'denoting' being of the sex which produces ova could be interpreted as 'if someone looks like they produce ova then they come under the definition of female'. So basically if a transwoman passes they are female. Or something, they weren't very clear, they just said 'it can be interpreted however you want'.

Clear as mud really.

AphidEater

If I woke up tomorrow and found I was 6’3’’ I would feel something was very wrong. This is not evidence for an innate sense of “tallness” unrelated to my actual height.

I do not think Karen White's transgender identity, such as it is, is particularly relevant and I think both sides of the debate agree that her case was handled poorly. Karen White should no more have been allowed to roam freely in a women's prison than any woman who had committed repeated sexual assault against women.

Of course it was bloody relevant , if KW did self ID as a woman he wouldnt have been anywhere near a womens prison.

If you woke up tomorrow and your consciousness had been downloaded into a male body, would you be a man? Feel like a man? Immediately understand that you simply were not a woman, because the only thing that was determinative of that was your biological makeup?

OK, putting aside the fact that this would never happen....

Yes, I would be freaked out. Because I have had nearly 40 years of living in a female body and that has shaped my feelings and consciousness for my whole life. So it's a total non argument.

Its all the amateur genenticists that get my goat.
They have heard of xx and xy and that is ALL, yet the feel qualified to comment on biological status. Who knows what the human genome will reveal furtherbdiwn the line.

If you woke up tomorrow and your consciousness had been downloaded into a male body, would you be a man? Feel like a man? Immediately understand that you simply were not a woman, because the only thing that was determinative of that was your biological makeup?

Yes, though I wouldn’t feel like a man just as I don’t feel like a woman. I’d be a man because I’d have a male body. I’d still be me but male.

I have no idea how sackifrice gets that from that search. Maybe she’s broken her twitter somehow?

The search criteria are there in the top left. Perhaps you have safe search switched on?

Interestingly it has new posts since I searched. I can't post it as it will get deleted.

This is how it works isn't it.

Post it for proof and we get deleted

Don't post it and it doesn't exist.

Cool that.

Rapists can always tell but you can't? Can they? So men don't rape men? No man has ever tried to rape a trans woman thinking that she is a woman?

Men can always tell which one of them and their wives/partners is more likely to gestate their child. And who is more likely to give up work and care for their child. And which parent is likely to be called by the school when the child is ill. Really?

How on earth can they tell?

Do you think men sit there pondering what an adult human male body is?

I know several men who have chatted to a trans woman and not realised. So no, I don't think that it always boils down to having been female at birth. I think that a lot of what society sees as being female is down to appearance and what someone looks like on the outside.

If they are living as a woman then they share virtually every common ground with me.

Such bollocks. Menopause? Periods? Ovarian cancer? Womb prolapse? Pay gap? Born with male privilege?

I have hardly anything that matters in common with a TW. I have plenty of trivial things in common but that doesn't make us the same.