To ask why aibu is so anti-trans?

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Just that really. I don't mean to be goady I've just noticed that when it comes up here, people seem more against it than other social circles I'm familiar with. I think I'm a bit out of the loop as to what the issue is.

I think we are all under the umbrella now so Stonewall should be very satisfied with that

How good is the umbrella against acid rain?

Either you accept most pass and will be indestingasble from the sex they present as, or you don't and male toilets are a danger to most trans women.

Well a trans man who hasn't had bottom surgery is likely to be quite identifiable in say a men's changing room aren't they?

So where do they go? Men might well ask them to leave and women might well not be comfortable changing in front of someone who looks like a man.

Oh FFS, all this 'woman is a feeling' bollocks.

Does a man check that someone 'feels like a woman' before he rapes her?

Does a fertilised egg check that someone 'feels like a woman' before implanting in their womb?

Do people check that a foetus 'feels female' before aborting it for being female?

Do workplaces check that someone 'feels female' before making them redundant on maternity leave?

Did the Taliban ask Malala Yousafzai is she 'feels female' before they said she couldn't go to school and shot her?

Womanhood is not a feeling. No part of womanhood is about how you 'feel inside'. It's just utter crap.

It is not necessary for people to have medical diagnosis or treatment to be trans. Whether they choose to transition (and how / to what extent) is their personal choice. All we need to do is respect that.

Why? Why do we need to respect that? I don't believe that people can change sex. I don't believe that a man saying he is a woman means that he should be allowed into female spaces. Why can't people respect that?

So where do they go? Men might well ask them to leave and women might well not be comfortable changing in front of someone who looks like a man.

It needs to be discussed properly and respectfully without any name calling. Most people think third spaces are an obvious solution or more single spaces. This won't help with things like sports teams, etc. but at least it would solve the changing rooms problem.

This won't help with things like sports teams, etc. but at least it would solve the changing rooms problem.

Yes it would help.

What about hospital wards? Or female HCP?

@over50andfab

This is an informative thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3101834-trans-widows-escape-committee

Even if they did, then Stonewall, who are not the God of transpeople

Have you met any of the current leadership of Stonewall?

@Datun thanks for the link. I’ve spent a lot of time reading it. I knew this existed but not in any detail. I found utterly horrifying the amount of abuse these women have been subjected to, plus the knock on effect to the DC. Thank god for MN that they have somewhere to post and get support/understanding from others.

over50andfab

Yes, perhaps I should have warned you, sorry.

I'm very much used to the issue, now, but if you're new to it, it's can be a little disturbing.

I'm glad you read it, though.

@over50andfab

I meant to tag you, to make sure you got my message