To ask why aibu is so anti-trans?

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Just that really. I don't mean to be goady I've just noticed that when it comes up here, people seem more against it than other social circles I'm familiar with. I think I'm a bit out of the loop as to what the issue is.

That's good for you then isn't it, if you "match" up.

If that is the case why am I being forced into your nice little gendered box by stonewall?

Why are you supporting it?

How the hell do you fall short of being full womanhood because you don't wear make up or nail varnish
FFS , that's me screwed then. Maybe I am a bloke after all then.

Do you think a transexual (transwoman) should be able to say they are male on twitter without being banned?
Miranda Yardley was banned for saying they were male, TRA'S have taken away that right.

I'm not forcing you into any box.
You're saying you'll always be a man.
As I'm not you, I'm not saying "no you're not, you're this instead"
You know you. Not me.
Far too many yous in that sentence, but hey

A poster on Reddit. FFS lol, well that must be what they all think then

Lime you are the only one saying it's all of them. You keep saying it even when I say I am talking in the singular. This is one person's account of what makes them want to be female.

No, because of people with the attitudes that men can't wear dresses and will ridicule them if they do.

And those people are generally men. So this is a man problem really, not a woman one. Women should not have to lose their sex segregated spaces which they have in law just because men won't change their attitudes.

Men who want to present as stereotypical women can do that without taking anything away from women. Until they realise that they will always have a fight on their hands because they leave women with no other choices. We simply cannot allow our female spaces to become unisex. It's not an option for us.

You are supporting people who are removing those rights and forcing boxes.

This is one persons account of what it means to be female
Correct. One person. It's getting trotted out as "well this is what it means to be female, how ridiculous" though.

It wasn't Miranda Yardley......

It was someone else.....

I can't remember who...

Correct. One person. It's getting trotted out as "well this is what it means to be female, how ridiculous" though.

What a strange think to say, You've been repeatedly asked to define and clarify the question.

It is ridiculous. And offensive. To take an extreme gender stereotype and say this is what being a woman feels like. No it's not. It's how that one person feels, not how all women feel.

The fact is that being a woman is not a feeling. We all feel very different. Some of us love the stereotypes, some of us hate them, some of us hate them but perform them anyway and some of us don't bow to the societal pressure.

The single thing that makes us all women is our female anatomy and female biological make up. That's it. There's nothing else we all have in common. That's what being a woman is.

Well yes, being female is what you are, not how you feel or what you do. A bit like being human is what you are. Do I feel human? I don’t know, I am one. Do I behave like a human? Yes, most of the time, I think. Am I a cat? No. I don’t have cat DNA.
Am I female? Yes, I have XX chromosomes. Do I feel like a female? How can I feel otherwise? I am female. Do I behave like a female? Yes, because I am one.

The fact is that being a woman is not a feeling

I agree. For me it's biology as well as a sense of self.
I can't explain it, all I know is it's not as easy as dismissing self as a feeling.
It's not a feeling, that's not what I mean.
If it was easy to describe, or define, I would.

Just because a person is not comfortable acting out male societal expectations does not make them female.

They feel out of place as a man. That does not mean they are a woman.

Women have fought for years to get where we are. In the uk we weren't allowed to wear trousers, work for money, vote, etc. We didn't just accept those societal norms, we fought to change them. And they have changed. We can now do all those things and it's normal.

Men need to address the fact that they don't want to perform male stereotypes. By saying they are women instead, they are just reinforcing those damaging stereotypes. And they are harming women at the same time.

Another poster on that thread said this in response to the cute thing:

These are EXACTLY my goals, like having a boyfriend just come up from behind me, kissing my head and whispering “I love you” while my face becomes tomato red. I love being cutesy so much!! It’s so fun!!

Why can they not do this as males? They need to stop picking on the women and campaign for a change of attitude from men.

"They can - as in cross dressing

That makes them transgender.

Why can't they just be a man?"

Where does it say that someone cannot be transgender and a man? Or a woman? Or neither? That if you fall under the trans umbrella (as one particular org defines it) then you must take one of the two options?

Even if they did, then Stonewall, who are not the God of transpeople, are wrong on that. Defending or agreeing with transgenderism in general is not one and the same as agreeing with every last detail of what one particular organisation, says.

Where does it say that someone cannot be transgender and a man? Or a woman? Or neither?

The trans part of the name, it is short for transition, which means you are transitioning.

Defending or agreeing with transgenderism in general is not one and the same as agreeing with every last detail of what one particular organisation, says.

No debate, no exception.

They don't speak for me, they don't speak for many.
They have influence far greater than they should.

Sansgender.
If anything.
If labeled.

Was going to post but have decided not to bother

Bugger! My first deletion!!!

I should know better.

First in a trans thread that is....

Was going to post but have decided not to bother

I think this counts as a post

The trans part of the name, it is short for transition, which means you are transitioning.

Does that mean a transsexual is someone who is changing sexual positions in the bedroom. Or coming out of the closet.

I think non gender binary and many others are under the trans umbrella without being men or women.

FWIW however, I don't think anyone should be told that they must be a man / woman because of anything they are doing. Anymore than someone should be told that they are gay because of any experience that they have had. Let people decide these things for themselves.

Does that mean a transsexual is someone who is changing sexual

It means they are transitioning the the opposite sexual stereotypes.

But you know that.
I think non gender binary and many others are under the trans umbrella without being men or women.
And they really shouldn't be, neither should intersex.

Stonewall has grouped a bunch of different stuff together and forced people under the umbrella...