To ask why aibu is so anti-trans?

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Just that really. I don't mean to be goady I've just noticed that when it comes up here, people seem more against it than other social circles I'm familiar with. I think I'm a bit out of the loop as to what the issue is.

If you general you can't accept that sometimes for a woman it's not just what's between your legs, there's no point in even trying to explain. See, that's immutable for me. Biology and gametes and all that!

That you always deflect just shows that you have no answer other than you think some men are women, some women are men because [tumbleweed]

*You still didn't answer the question anyway. Since you sometimes wear traditionally men's clothes, but sometimes wear a dress and lipstick, are you, therefore, non binary? Since wearing traditional womens clothing makes someone a woman, in most cases, regarding your previous post?

Seems I'm not the only one who doesn't always answer fully...*

Not sure which question I didn’t answer.

No I’m not non binary. And as we all know women wear trousers. I think you are rather over thinking this!

Everyone has a right to wear whatever they want. Everyone had a right to feel whatever they want. Even transwomens views on how they feel are valid IMO.

Part of it's biology
Part of it's your inner self

Everyone has a right to wear whatever they want. Everyone had a right to feel whatever they want. Even transwomens views on how they feel are valid IMO.

You are correct here, and tranmens views.

However they can't change sex, it's impossible.

Why can't a man in a dress be a man?

Part of it's biology
Part of it's your inner self

What does that feel like?
Presumable it's different to a dismophia?

Or is it that you can't explain, because it makes no sense and you don't really have an answer?

Surely not!

over50 I'M overthinking it?!?! I'm not the one changing my entire body and personality because of some stereotypes! Perhaps THEY'RE the ones overthinking, no?!

Personally I think there's rather a lot of UNDERthinking going on in the world, which is how we got into this mess in the first place.

Yes, everyone has a right to wear what they want, feel what they want. That is generally what feminists are fighting for and always have been.

That does not mean men have a right to be in a place where women should feel safe and comfortable.

Why can't a man in a dress be a man?

They can - as in cross dressing

Do you only hear from you inner self if you body doesn't align to it?

Ohh, but cross dressing is a transphobic thing to say, we mustn't say that!

A transgender person is someone who has a deep conviction that their gender does not conform to the sex they were assigned at birth. It is not necessary for people to have medical diagnosis or treatment to be trans. Whether they choose to transition (and how / to what extent) is their personal choice. All we need to do is respect that.

Like all other people, some trans people will cause trouble but it is not specifically because they are trans. I am personally much more worried about the high risk of trans people being abused, bullied and about the high risk of mental illness and suicide amongst LGBTQ people.

Knowing trans people in person matters because when you do, you are less likely to imagine all these awful things that people attribute to trans people like wanting to compete on unfair terms and so on. These are fears, not facts.

Unfortunately many people, and even many organisations, have never met trans people. This is often not because trans people don't exist but because they don't feel safe to come out in that environment. We need more trans people to feel safe about their identity and to show the world that there are different kinds of beauty, and that trans people are capable of so much more than causing trouble in competitive sport and in women's toilets and prisons.

They can - as in cross dressing

That makes them transgender.

Why can't they just be a man?

Why can't a man in a dress be a man?

They can - as in cross dressing

You are aware of course that Stonewall say a cross dresser is transgender?

X post!

Do you only hear from your inner self if your body doesn't align to it?

No

These are fears, not facts.

I could post page after page of real life examples.

"This is often not because trans people don't exist but because they don't feel safe to come out in that environment. We need more trans people to feel safe about their identity and to show the world that there are different kinds of beauty, and that trans people are capable of so much more than causing trouble in competitive sport and in women's toilets and prisons."

But I'm not really interested in different kinds of beauty. I'm interested in women not getting their faces bashed in in the boxing ring by people with men's bodies, or getting raped by people with men's bodies.

Sorry that I'm not fluffy enough to appreciate the beauty.

And yes, I do know trans people, most people have met some, I imagine.

“You are aware of course that Stonewall say a cross dresser is transgender?”

Ah yes, I’d forgotten that. Do cross dressers actually regard themselves as being women and access women’s facilities? Interested to know.

over50andfab

Genuine question. Do you know what the term transgender covers?
Not just transexuals, but anyone who doesn't conform to the action man / Barbie stereotype.
Look at the stonewall trans umbrella.

Why does it have to be crossdressing?

Why can't a man just be comfortable in a dress?

In Asia, plenty of men wear make up. That's not crossdressing, it's just normal for many.

As soon as you analyse it, it all falls apart. It's just nothingness.

Ah yes, I’d forgotten that. Do cross dressers actually regard themselves as being women and access women’s facilities? Interested to know.

Yes, under the stonewall umbrella they are entitled to "be women".

Part of it's your inner self Oh! That inner woo!

And a man in a dress is a man, a cross dressing man, a man on his way to a fancy dress party, a man in a dress. As I have said before, we have a male friend from way back in the 80s who has spent almost every weekend, every party, family occasion, weddings, funerals etc etc in a dress. It is who he is. His wife and kids have never known him any different. He is a man, in a dress, calls himself a tranny and makes no claim to be a woman, or female spaces. He just gets a kick out of wearing a dress!

We need more trans people to feel safe about their identity and to show the world that there are different kinds of beauty, and that trans people are capable of so much more than causing trouble in competitive sport and in women's toilets and prisons. Oh stop! Many GC feminists have repeatedly acknowledged that and point out the lengths that predatory men go to in order to access their victims, often structuring their whole lives just to access their victims - e.g. Balloo Challenor...

I'm under the trans-umbrella too by the way, most people are.

With you there Iiluminati.
Especially your last paragraph.
I do think it's important to know some in RL too (I actually don't) because it will seem more "the norm."
People fear the unknown which is why I find some of the scaremongering on here dangerous.
Note, I said some. Not all.

Penn Gillette the magician is also there, as he uses nail varnish.