To ask why aibu is so anti-trans?

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Just that really. I don't mean to be goady I've just noticed that when it comes up here, people seem more against it than other social circles I'm familiar with. I think I'm a bit out of the loop as to what the issue is.

If it was so easily definable, the MN boards would be a heck of a lot quieter as everyone went back to what shall I have for my tea type threads.

Otherwise it's nonsense.....

…..penny drops

It is easy to define the word woman.

Unless you are woke. Then it becomes impossible.

If it was so easily definable

Slot of those on that board define it by chromosome.... Which seems to make sense to me.

How do you define it?

over50 you think it's sweet that someone's idea of womanhood is that we blush and giggle? That's what we represent to them? You don't find that a harmful stereotype at all?

This is how this particular transwomen feels. I did not say it was stereotypical, I said each to their own. Please read my posts properly.

I did not say it was stereotypical

Acting like a woman from a Jane Austin novel is stereotypical.

This is how this particular transwoman feels

Exactly, these threads always seem to lump all transwomen the same.
They won't all feel like that.

over50 I'm not sure what you think I'm not reading? Do you want me to respond line by line?

This is a stereotype from one person. It doesn't make it not a stereotype. Beyond that, it's a rather common stereotype, the blushing, ditzy, cutesy girl.

I don't giggle. Ever. My husband blushes a lot. So the stereotype this person has, their very reason for thinking they are a woman, is faulty already just on that basis.

Why can't boys blush and giggle?

Can't you see that?

Captainspooky - I don't think you read properly what Over50 said - I read it as that was what that particular transwoman thinks; feels, that it's not stereotypical of them all.

They won't all feel like that.

Correct, this is called being human.

In fact, can anyone link to that article about how transwomen feel? I’d be interested to read it.

hat it's not stereotypical of them all.

It's a stereotype of a woman.

Why can't boys blush and giggle?

They can.

Why can't women blush and giggle even if it's stereotypical of a woman?

They can too.

Both is a valid thing to do

Both is a valid thing to do
So how does it make this person a woman?

Living as a woman - you automatically bring it round to looks. No. You've put the cart and horse onto a revolving platform and called it a playhouse, LK

Women don't bring it back to looks. TRAs do. Those men who want to 'live as women' do. They do so by donning Barbie costume, or selective pieces of Barbie. Women just notice it and ask the question "is that what such men think being a woman is?" Mainly because very few women would 'pass' as women by that criteria!

Did you see the video of J Yaniv deliveringa speech in a remarkabl dress and a tiara? That is why looks keep being brought into it!

If anyone has a link to the footage....

It doesn't.
Might make them feel more feminine though

Iamalways, first you only read as far as me wearing jeans and quoted that bit, then you did not understand where I said that everyone is different in how they feel. You only seem to pick up on part of what I write instead of reading the whole.

That was to the how does giggling and blushing make you a woman bit

It doesn't. Might make them feel more feminine though

Right....
So the person quoted was doing things males do, but it made them a woman because?

I just don't get your logic over50

Someone thinks that blushing and giggling means that they must be a woman and therefore they now have the right to be in a womens' shelter and compete in sports against women and sleep in a shared dormitory with other women?

Why can't it just mean that they like blushing and giggling?

They all have different reasons, obviously. But so far, none of them stand up for me as a reason why they're actually a woman. It's ALL based on stereotypes of dress or behaviour. And since women all dress and act differently, how can any of it mean they are ACTUALLY women?

I am a woman because I have female chromosomes and a female reproductive system. Not because I put lipstick on sometimes or wear a dress sometimes or like flowers.

On the basis of my body, I am generally weaker than men and can get pregnant. Therefore, I need a separate space where I can not be harmed by men, raped by men or unfairly beaten in competition by men.

I'm not sure what is hard to understand or what is confusing about any of that.

I am totally pro trans rights in terms of them deserving to live happily and safely, as anyone else. I would never ask that harm comes to them. I don't give a shit if a man wants to wear make up, dresses, giggle, blush or anything else. In fact, I would love to see all gender shit just disappear. But in terms of sex, actual, biological sex, that is where we sometimes need to be separated, for women's safety.

In your opinion feminine stereotypes make you a woman?

Is that how you define it?

over50 no, I point out the bits I find interesting, as do most people in every discussion they have.

You still didn't answer the question anyway. Since you sometimes wear traditionally men's clothes, but sometimes wear a dress and lipstick, are you, therefore, non binary? Since wearing traditional womens clothing makes someone a woman, in most cases, regarding your previous post?

Seems I'm not the only one who doesn't always answer fully...

but it made them a woman because
If you general you can't accept that sometimes for a woman it's not just what's between your legs, there's no point in even trying to explain.
Been there, done that, posters go ROFL or shout nonsense, try again.
It's circular. Nobody knows everything.

If you general you can't accept that sometimes for a woman it's not just what's between your legs, there's no point in even trying to explain.

What is it then?
If it's not a feeling and not biological, you must know or you wouldn't be telling others.
Nobody knows everything.

If you hold an opinion surely you must know why?

Or is it that you can't explain, because it makes no sense and you don't really have an answer?