To find this unreasonable and offensive to women or is it just me?

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Saw this on twitter and this rhetoric seems to be spreading. So is it just me or are others concerned with this? How does this help women and girls, especially with the turn this has taken in the US recently.

Not unreasonable or offensive. Just plain nuts.

I am with you.

Baffling.

I don't understand what it means by "all people who can get pregnant" - surely that just means women, or am I being dense?

I'm not even sure what point they're trying to make. It's badly written.

If they're saying that using the words 'women' and 'she' etc when discussing abortion is offensive to trans people, then yes, that is crazy

That is the stupidest fucking thing I've seen all day. Only women can get pregnant so yes women is the appropriate term when discussing abortions. Christ on a bike. I'd rather be "transphobic" if it means understanding biology and using logic and reason.

They lost me at "cis". A made up term to give others validation at my expense.

Feelings don't supercede facts.

Ridiculous twaddle.

They mean transmen i think. Who generally seem to be an unassuming, under represented bunch in the whole debate.

However I do disagree with this tweet. We need to be clear this is a women's issue because in great part it's about hating women. I wouldn't be bothered if they said "women and transmen" though.

I think you're very much preaching to the choir on MN.

YANBU

I meant they are underrepresented in the debate about trans rights btw not in the debate about reproductive rights

Basically i do agree with the OP though!

Completely agree with you @blackteasplease. "Women and transmen" would be slightly clunky language but at least it wouldn't remove our ability to call out issues affecting women for what they are.

Just being a woman (the cunty sort) is being transphobic

Refer to me as "cis" and I stop listening.

Surely it is some sort of post designed to cause offense and generate responses?

I would just ignore it, of course it's ridiculous.

Abortion is about a termination of a pregnancy, at the moment only women can get pregnant so using she/ her is not transphobic. It's relevant to the biological sex of the pregnant woman.

I can understand both points of view. I mean from a factual point of view trans men also can get pregnant and would also be effected by this. So in that regard I think it’s important they’re also included so ‘people’ is probably the best pronoun. However, I think they could have worded their POV better. A lot of this stuff seems to be about just shouting everyone down rather than having sensible discussions around facts.

@StoppinBy It would be great if we could just ignore it but the problem is the trans issue and the devaluing of women's rights is being aggressively pushed by the state, at a very, very fast pace considering how recently it all appeared. That's a problem.

Erasure of women.

So they want the 'right' to be discriminated against because of their biology, whilst denying their biology?

Yep it's offensive. I can't stand the word 'folks'. Folk is already a plural, bugs bunny was being ironic

Oh yeah, I suppose erasing women is quite annoying too.

Another way of looking at it is that, quite simply, access to safe abortion is a human rights issue. No human being should be denied a medical procedure that human being wants to have, because of other random human beings' imaginary friends. Saying that human beings have to accept being used as containers against their will is a bad, wrong, stupid thing to say.

We're still kind of stuck with the idea that there are 'human beings' who have rights and 'women' who are not, quite, human beings and therefore don't have human rights...