To find this unreasonable and offensive to women or is it just me?

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Saw this on twitter and this rhetoric seems to be spreading. So is it just me or are others concerned with this? How does this help women and girls, especially with the turn this has taken in the US recently.

On this particular topic Twitter is a massive echo chamber. If you agree, massive pile on of approval. If you don't agree, massive pile on of disapproval.
I believe that there are two sexes Female and Male. Gender is a social construct and people should be left to live how they wish without causing harm and distress to others.

The idea that an activist can post with a straight face that "centering women" is a bad, anti-progressive move just shows how far things have gone bad.

I just want some of these idiots to take a step back and look at what they are actually writing, and how fucking conservative and regressive it is.

I mean from a factual point of view trans men also can get pregnant and would also be effected by this. So in that regard I think it’s important they’re also included so ‘people’ is probably the best pronoun.

@Bubblegumgal. Genuine question:

How are transmen not included by the word women, when the subject is pregnancy?

I can see why you might want to be careful with language towards an individual who feels upset by having their biology discussed, but what is the point of the word women existing, if we can't use it in this most womanly of contexts.

This.

Biological sex is important to health care. Abortion and maternity care is centred around women because only biological women can get pregnant.

It is basic science.

It's nonsense.

@Kidsteacherisfit being gay has literally nothing to do with this not sure why you think it does? I'm gay, I think it's ridiculous, but my sexuality is just as relevant as my hair colour when forming an opinion on this issue.

It reminds me of The Emperor’s New Clothes.
I don’t have a problem with trans women, but the tortologu of that is crazy.

@donquixotedelamancha

“How are transmen not included by the word women, when the subject is pregnancy? ”

Because they don’t identify as women they identify as men, I think being sensitive towards that goes along way to inclusion & I don’t see how, in this particular subject using the word people would be of any detriment to women who identify as women, whereas it would help trans men feel more validated perhaps.

So women can now be jailed for abortion in Georgia and fuckwits are focusing on the word women?

It beggars fucking belief that women's rights are being so comprehensively trashed and these individuals, who claim to be feminists are focussing on this??

I'd say Im suprised, but I'm not, it's as inevitable as night following day unfortunately.

FFS, if you have a uterus and get pregnant, then you're a woman. No amount of pronouns will ever change that.

Call yourself whatever you like, I don't care, but there is no need to seek validation for your 'feelz' by piggybacking on an incredible serious issue for women.

To be honest I don't think feelings override biology and their gender identity may be male but their biological sex is and always will be female. Using 'woman' should not be changed just to appease a minority of a minority of people who want it both ways.

@Kidsteacherisfit are you on glue?

Reanimated, I think you're being a little bit disingenuous there. It cannot have escaped your notice that women do not entirely have a level playing-field and there are still many (as Georigia has amply demonstrated) places that would like to keep women firmly down and in their place.

Hence 'women's' rights still need to be fought for, we're still a way off a lovely world where all human's are considered equal.

YANBU. Obvs.

I was just talking about this with a friend, tonight. There's an international push to separate "woman" from biology.

Why? Who benefits from this? Who's driving this?

women who identify as women

Actual women don't "identify as women". They are women. It's only male people who "identify as women". It's a nonsense.

Not on glue just treasure my womb and all it's done before its whipped out by man and high fived by you 😁

I literally can't understand anything you're saying. You're not making any sense. I'll leave it there.

That's great, HerRoyalFattyness

I don't understand what it means by "all people who can get pregnant" - surely that just means women, or am I being dense?

Yes. You're not the dense one.

whereas it would help trans men feel more validated perhaps.

If they are so secure in their choices, why do they feel the need to be validated by stomping all over the rights of the very group they claim they want to be a part of?

They lost me at "cis". A made up term to give others validation at my expense.

I object strongly to the offensive slur 'cis'. Nobody has ever asked me if I wish to be identified by using it.

Why haven't the people who freely use it checked with at least a large, wide representative sample of people to whom they arbitrarily and arrogantly apply it to check whether they actively choose to embrace it as a personal descriptor when used by a third party discussing them?

To me, it carries with it the same very sarcastic, goady, clearly disbelieving tone as when somebody sneers "So then, XXXX - if that's what you claim to be".

It's utterly stupid and meaningless, anyway - nobody would dream of referring to a 'cis cat' or a 'cis table' to avoid possibly causing offence to and accidentally 'othering' any that might personally identify as a dog or a chair.

Only a nasty bigot would 'inform' a person as to what particular terms they must accept being referred to on the basis of their race, so how is this any different based on somebody's core biology and related identity?

So a transman insists on being called a man when they want validation of their chosen gender identity/belief. When they want to get pregnant they want to be a pregnant person.

A transwoman insists on being called a woman when they want validation. When they get pregnant.....oh no, hang on, they can't, they don't have a biological female body. But hey transphobe, don't be unkind, let's say pregnant person, a girls gotta dream.

A woman is a woman, not a cis woman, because she doesn't have to change the language around her sex to validate a transman or a transwoman. A woman is an adult human female, the only sex capable of being pregnant, giving birth, and being a mother.