To find this unreasonable and offensive to women or is it just me?

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Saw this on twitter and this rhetoric seems to be spreading. So is it just me or are others concerned with this? How does this help women and girls, especially with the turn this has taken in the US recently.

*There's an international push to separate "woman" from biology.

Why? Who benefits from this? Who's driving this?*

Well certain men obviously, if women are sperated from their biology they are essentially the same as men and so can be offered no legal sex-based protection.

What sort of man would that benefit I wonder?

they don’t identify as women they identify as men

If you mean that all transmen don't realise they are women, I am quite sure you are mistaken- especially about the pregnant ones.

If you mean that they are uncomfortable being reminded of their sex then that may often be true. I don't like being reminded I am fat, but I do not expect the NHS to talk about thin people in its obesity warnings.

There is a world of difference between being sensitive to an individual and completely removing the meaning of words.

I don’t see how, in this particular subject using the word people would be of any detriment to women

Hand on heart, you genuinely can't think of any detriment to removing the word women from all discussion of abortion rights? Honestly no idea why all these women are moaning @Bubblegumgal?

whereas it would help trans men feel more validated perhaps.

I really think suggesting any particular group need to be treated in this was is prejudice, albeit well meant.

whereas it would help trans men feel more validated perhaps.

It's none of my business what they choose to do and I wouldn't seek to dictate to them, but I can't help thinking that, if you have spent a large part of your life being identified (wrongly in your opinion) as a female when you clearly wish to be recognised as a male; and you have likely had a lot of struggles for acceptance as such - it would seem to me that the very notion of doing anything that could possibly risk your being in the position of what is seen as probably the most distinct biological marker of a female - that of being pregnant - would be utterly anathema to you.

As for 'centring women' when talking about pregnancy, what proportion of the adult population consists of transmen? Then, of that tiny percentage who are transmen - i.e. people who do NOT identify with taking a female role in society - how many of them will be in a position to ever become pregnant?

Of course, the answer is not zero as there will always be an extremely infinitesimal number - but even then, they will clearly understand and accept that they are in such a tiny minority of a tiny minority and make adjustments accordingly, with the normal discretion and dignity that anybody would.... unless, that is, they are deliberately doing what they are doing in order to seek attention and/or to climb on a self-publicity bandwagon.

Considering that, when examining people's methods of transport to an event, official surveys will usually offer options including car, bus, train, on foot, by bike (one from our Midlands LEA asking how our DS travelled to school even offered 'via London Underground' as an option). However, I have NEVER seen an option that would apply to a wheelchair user who is not using any additional means of transport. Considering that the number of wheelchair users is manifold more than the number of pregnant transmen, I wonder why the one minuscule group is so desperately important to describe so precisely whereas the other much, much larger group is effectively brushed off and told "Well, you know what we mean - just choose the nearest and don't try to be difficult about it."

I want to date mouldy and grow a penis

Thank you very much but I have no interest in dating a meth head.

Maybe they should just say 'any one with a bag..'. Or just fucking stop with the bullshit.

Vag* 😡

I mean from a factual point of view trans men also can get pregnant and would also be effected by this A transman who uses their vagina to have sex is not a transman. Also, a transman who uses their uterus to carry a baby is not a transman.

Twitter seems to be rammed with these people who clearly cannot talk in normal day to day language anymore.

we have to start referring to anything that is concerning womens health as female , there is no argument that way, a former man can not call us out for not including him as he can not and can never be FEMALE, stop the entire anti trans movement in its tracks... lets think like a female and find our work around, they are thinking like the men they are and because they are men can never ever actually understand what it is to be a "woman" because as a man they have never had to fight for the scraps the men feel we can have, if we bitch enough... so work around the new rules created by the men and the "woke" and start thinking like a female, not a woman, A FEMALE

😂 I guess I should have left my error in place!

They lost me at "cis". A made up term to give others validation at my expense

^This

I find all this very upsetting. I feel increasingly like I'm literally being erased as a woman. Refer to me as cis and you won't be answered.

we have to start referring to anything that is concerning womens health as female

They will have an issue with that as well. It really doesn't have to make sense.

So the right are trying to erase women’s rights and the left are trying to erase women.

Looks like it’s true that extremes meet.

Only females can get pregnant. This is batshit crazy misogyny.

Seriously I don’t care if people change gender. Couldn’t give a flick.

The attempted eradication of women’s rights and the insistence that our safe spaces and services should be open to men, makes me very angry.

Women wouldn’t do this to women, so fuck off!!

Female / male seperates humans into groups as defined by their sexual organs. Woman is an adult human female.

If we need some other categories to separate humans based on gender stereotypes we need new words for these, not a redefinition of existing words which are embedded in our culture.

It's all so silly. I've had to come off Twitter it's full of idiots spouting guff like this.

We just have to push against it when we see it in the real world I think.

We are living in a post factual world. There are no facts, only opinions. Everything is what any particular individual says it is.

This is related to the point that Gail Dines makes in her work, that collective realities are being systematically destroyed in order to weaken collective action against dominant paradigms.

She was talking about Feminism and how capitalism and those who week to exploit want to see it destroyed as anything but a label. Gail identifies that there is no such thing as Feminism now, only the individual interpretations of that movement. In other words Feminism is only ever what I say it is.

It results in divisions that prevent any collective action. We spend all our time arguing about what it is and making room for those who think it is something different.

The Trans movement is part of this. They want to eradicate the term ‘woman’ and reduce being a woman to a matter of opinion. It then destroys attempts to fight for equality.

There are millions of women who will definitely not be affected by the latest attack on reproductive rights. Women who are medically infertile, cancer survivors, women who have had hysterectomies, women who have gone through the menopause. How many of these millions have you ever seen #notallwomen-ing about reproductive rights?

The use of the word cis is offensive Imo.

The rest is dilusional shite

What a load of bollocks. I question the intelligence of people like this.