To find the royal family fascinating part 2

[MagicKingdomDizzy]

Hello everyone, here's thread 2.

I'd be very grateful if someone could do a clicky link to the last one. Still can't figure it out.

Thanks!

Alwayscheerful

You're welcome

I'm sure I read that Diana's accent was less plummy when she was with friends/recording tapes. I think it was on a documentary as they played a recording of her and her accent was more relaxed and she had more of a laugh in her voice.

I just fell down an Internet rabbit hole again. Was reading about Franz Ferdinand and his wife Sophie Chotek.

He loved her so much he renounced his children's succession to the throne to marry her. Apparently he made it clear to his children he wanted them to have happy quiet lives, marrying for love.

I love a proper royal love story. It seems rare that they ever actually married for love.

King Edward IV and Elizabeth Woodville is another example.

Mind you, wasn't Queen Alexandra still living in the main house at Sandringham and it was a personal buy of Edward VII so George couldn't exactly kick his mum out of the house that his dad had bought, even if he actually owned it? Adds another light to sending Johnnie (and didn't he look like his elder brother Bertie?) to live on the estate near his grannie. Apparently she set up a little garden for him to do which he loved.

Kate seems to have a lot more 'vocal fry' in her voice. Not something I remember from school or those in my year I'm still in touch with but I'm an older generation. William and Harry don't have it.

Thanks @DSHathaway.
Oh the shame that the future King of England bought his own furniture!

I've been told that my voice sounds exactly like Diana 😂

Do you ever say 'there were three people in our marriage' in a melancholic and faltering voice?

I googled "vocal fry" - I hate hate hate this speech pattern but didn't know it had a name.

So did the future Emperor of All the Russias! (President of the Russian Federation just doesn't have the same ring to it, soz Vlad). Ordered from a store in London, apparently!

I think Sandringham was owned by Edward ane Alexandra so they were a bit stuck on that one but Alexandra also took her time to get out of Buck House- which was a problem. After living in shit hotels in her earlier years and then the royal equivalent of suburbia, I think Queen Mary was itching for a palace! If only for somewhere to park her fucking amazing dolls house! Alexandra was v kind to Johnnie, he would plant seeds and she'd ask the gardener to put blooming flowers in for him so he'd think they'd grown up overnight.

@MagicKingdomDizzy- your DS sounds fab .

Don't people often comment on how Kate sounds posher than William?

Hello everyone, lurked through all the previous threads, but feel compelled to comment now on that YouTube video linked at the end of the previous thread of Diana being interviewed about her marriage. I'm only a few minutes in so far, but I noted Diana pronounced Althorp as it is spelt, none of this pretentious 'Althrup' nonsense. Plus, there is hilarious footage of Prince Charles with a moustache. I say hilarious, but it actually quite suited him. Worth a little look, it's at about the 3 minute mark.

Queen Mary made sure John wasn't lonely by having local children brought in to be playmates for him. He had quite a few friends from the village.
That's the kind of thing any Mum would do, arrange play dates or make sure their children have friends.

@MissParple 😂

Was reading about Franz Ferdinand and his wife Sophie Chotek.

He loved her so much he renounced his children's succession to the throne to marry her. Apparently he made it clear to his children he wanted them to have happy quiet lives, marrying for love.

I love a proper royal love story. It seems rare that they ever actually married for love.

I'm related to Princip, who assassinated them both. A bit gruesome, but always goes down well with the DC's history teachers.

NigellaAwesome 😱😱😱😱😱
You're not Lil are you?

I always felt the outrage people had about Prince John being 'locked away' was totally forgetting the way people with illnesses and disabilities were treated at the time.

My Nana spent most of her working life working in a children's home-come-hospital where children with 'conditions' lived. Many families didn't believe they could look after their child if they were unwell in some way, especially if they didn't understand the condition. In many cases they couldn't afford too, if both parents had to work then a child with epilepsy or narcolepsy or the likes simply couldn't be left home alone.

Prince John was well looked after by a devoted nanny in a home near where his family lived (they stayed in york Cottage until Queen Alexandra died, except when they were away on duties) and near to where his Grandmother spent most of her time as she got older.

Franz Ferdinand the band apparently had a tribute act called Gavrillo Princip! Is he closely related to you, Nigella?

Went to school with a few girls who had really posh Kate voices, beyond usual RP. They were genuine but did sound a bit laboured!

@Myimaginarycathasfleas

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/3540879-to-fucking-hate-and-i-mean-hate-vocal-fry

There's a whole thread on it!

Princess Michael - another leech living rent free in a grace and favour apartment at Kensington Palace - a pad that had in 2002 a market value rent at £200,000 pa! That, despite the fact she owns a £3-4 million pound pad in the Cotswolds. She had to be prised out of the place with generous funds.
No conscience at all.
But then the queen only did it because she was now forced to pay taxes after living tax free forever (despite living off the taxpayer).

NigellaAwesome

Wow that's a conversation starter for sure!

at the tribute band for Franz Ferdinand.

It would be hilarious if Prince Harry & MM had a MN urban myth secret birth and didn't let anyone see or know about the baby for the first few weeks. 😂 They have hinted it about waiting until they're ready so not so far fetched. PW said today that the public were more likely to hear about it before him.

Checking into the new thread. Loving the history lessons, the language lessons (vocal fry- who knew?) and the Princess Michael bashing, glad that one seems to be allowed to stand 😂

DSHathaway close enough that we are able to produce a well referenced family tree for school projects, but he died 50 years before I was born, so it has always been in the realm of family lore IYKWIM?

Another branch of our family are still very much involved in Bosnia Serb politics. By all accounts Princip is still revered as a local hero in many quarters. I can't pretend to really understand it very well.

. PW said today that the public were more likely to hear about it before him.

😮did he? Where?

My theory with the Kents and Gloucesters and their rents is all down to the abdication.

Henry, Duke of Glouester, was a military man. He was Governor General of Australia and his two sons would have just grown up as grandsons of the King with no real royal role.

Same with the three Kents. They'd have just been the children of the King's cousins.

There may have been a role for the Duke of York, but even his children would be pretty unlikely to have had high royal roles had King Edward VIII played the game as expected and had a suitable wife and children of his own.

Then Henry had to become the regent-in-waiting in case anything happened to George VI before Elizabeth was 18. He couldn't leave England when the King did, just in case, had to leave Australia and take on more royal duties. When the Duke of Kent died even his military career was removed as they couldn't afford to lose him as well with so many young royals and so few adult royals.

The current Duke of Kent was so young when he became so, and he had to step in to fill the gap left by his father (which was mainly created by Edward/David).

So, the Queen treats her cousins much more favourably than anyone would ever expect, or stand for, William treating Beatrice, Eugenie, Louise and co. Because their lives were unexpectedly turned upside down, like hers was, but less dramatic.

I also think that's why Princess Margaret got away with so much as well.

And now that I sound like a complete loon I shall stop!!