To ask what Leavers are still hoping for from Brexit

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So we’ve failed twice to actually leave the EU on the dates specified which has hopefully proved that we will never leave without a deal.

Therefore the only option is to leave with a worse deal, or just give the whole thing up as a bad idea.

What do Leavers think can be salvaged from this epic mess?

If the word SOME was used it might now have been deleted

Try again with some...

Might now have been deleted

For goodness sake

Ive just got up...!!

Not not not!!!!!

Fucking hell

Goady is good! Nothing like a bit of clickbait - especially as Leavers are constantly told how bigoted and ignorant they are. Old Lammy called them what?

No, I was told by MN Towers that the R word is a bad word.

I have asked for reassurance from leavers on this thread about racism in UKIP. Unfortunately, I have been ignored or reassured that someone who used to lead the EDL is not really a facist.

Please leavers now is your chance to stop the lie that you are bigoted racists. Stand up to the far right and the racists there.

Lammy’s not alone in his thinking about the rise of the far right. That Tory grandee, Lord Heseltine, said the self same thing on Ch4 yesterday.

Lord Heseltine - the one that was in Thatcher's cabinet so he's no left wing liberal - has repeatedly called UKIP a racist party.

He has linked the rise of extreme Brexit views to Le Pen in France and right wing populism in Eastern Europe.

Many Tories are horrified by the rise of the right and see in it the shadow on the 1930s it is not just David Lammy.

Brexit supporters on MN are slow or unwilling to condemn the extreme right.

No, I was told by MN Towers that the R word is a bad word.

Really? How strange. There seem to have been quite a lot of threads on AIBU as well as the Brexit board over the last year with “Remain” or “Remainers” in the title.

Here’s a couple from just last month:

To Think Remainers Are Starting To Get Really Angry About Brexit?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3531419-To-Think-Remainers-Are-Starting-To-Get-Really-Angry-About-Brexit

AIBU as a remainer to think a 2nd ref would obliterate political trust?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3544226-AIBU-as-a-remainer-to-think-a-2nd-ref-would-obliterate-political-trust

That there would be no more Leavers/Brexit bashing

Did it say ‘Remainers’ or ‘Remoaners’?

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Mumsnet don't usually delete remoaners either

Its very strange....

If you look at their posting history, it wouldn't be hard to imagine they'd been deleted for sheer goady fuckery.

Nah two

I reckon that unfortunately for screaming that a mod has decided that after nearly three years of the words remainer and remoaner being thrown around with gay abandon that now...right now, is the right time to start deleting posts using the word remainer

I’d still bet it was for goady fuckery.

Screaming has suggested people google a speech by Alice Wiedel.

Just for context, Wiedel is a candidate for the ultra far right German AfD (Alternative fur Deutschland) Party.
The same party Rees Mogg is trying to distance himself from after recently retweeting part of this speech.

Will tackle the economic list later (I’m at work)
But it’s mostly all the old free marketeer stuff.

Which EU regulations would you like reformed Screaming? There are certainly some which are not as beneficial to a service economy, like us, as they were designed for the more manufacture and farming based original members.

We need new pm with a pair of balls who will push through no deal

And what would that achieve, Dana?

dana no matter who is PM, there is no way near enough support in parliament to get no deal through.

How do you seriously think that is still possible?

We need new pm with a pair of balls who will push through no deal

Metaphorical balls or real balls?

Because, let me tell you, pushing things with your balls is

A: not something you want to be caught doing in public.
B: hurty

pm [] who will push through no deal

By ignoring the will of Parliament?
That unicorn hypothetical-- PM's party would implode & realistically so would the electorate.
The legal challenges might be endless, too.
Wouldn't require balls but rather Hari Kari slavishness to a specific narrow Brexit vision.

I'm now wondering if that's what "People knew they were voting for."

I have been scouring the papers for some time to find out what was actually in Teresa May's deal. IMO the national press have done a rubbish job of reporting on this. You get the odd reference to having to stay in the customs union or the Irish border, but no clear overall report, no idea why.

However, I have just come across this from John Redwood. Yup he is a Tory politician, but at least the man appears to have a brain and can set things out clearly.

Now I understand why the House of Commons can't vote in favour of the proposed deal. We are absolutely nowhere and the "deal" is an embarrassment.

Pushing through No Deal would be undemocratic.

The government and Leave campaign were clear that, in the event Leave won, we would try to negotiate a deal.

No Deal has No Mandate.

I think you might need to google some more jones

The ‘deal’ hasn’t been negiotated yet, only the Withdrawl Agreement.

The Political Declaration refers to the intentions for the deal and it does not currently include staying in the customs union.