AIBU to think that Leave voters who complain about a lack of democracy are hypocrites?

[KennDodd]

Because they completely ignore the proven illegalities around the Leave campaign that would have made void the result had the referendum been binding.

Leaver hate remainers and remainers hate leavers

I dont hate anyone

I didn't vote because I wasn't sure and still am not.But I have noticed the majority of vitriol from remainers to leavers with little the opposite way.

Laurie, saying that leave voters are less educated is just another way of saying they were too thick to know what they were doing. So yes, it is the same as saying they are stupid. Otherwise why make the point at all - it wouldn't be relevant.

I don't dispute that it is a fact that fewer leavers went to university or that they completed fewer years of formal education than remainers, but it's a meaningless one since it takes no account of the fact that older people were less likely to go to university and people tended to leave school early to start careers which now require degrees etc.

i was on a fb thread where someone painstakingly outlined the effects brexit will have on the economy.

the brexiteers reply was 'we are called great for a reason'. this was much liked. 'thank you...' etc etc.

i dont think that all brexiteers are stupid but i so think among many there is a complete lack of deep thinking and a love of simplification. bandying words like sovreignty and democracy around - without even being able to explain what you mean by those words- is never a good look.

on the same fb thread, brexiteers wrote how 'we got through ww2'-

its such a meaningless platitude- i find it disturbing that brexiteers who are no doubt very smart in other ways would say such a disturbing (and misguided) thing.

Today's YouGov poll is 44% no deal leave and 42% remain. We remain divided. I hope once it all ends we can come back together as a nation as most people on both sides are good and sensible people.

day's YouGov poll is 44% no deal leave and 42% remain

Was it just that one question that was asked xenia?

Cos i would believe that given a choice of no deal or remain loads of people would come down on one side or the other

But i don't believe that 44% of the voting population want no deal

Laurie, saying that leave voters are less educated is just another way of saying they were too thick to know what they were doing.

You’re saying that, not me.

but it's a meaningless one since it takes no account of the fact that older people were less likely to go to university and people tended to leave school early to start careers which now require degrees etc

It’s not meaningless at all, if you look at the figures in depth they show lower education levels across all age brackets.

I voted to leave, I didn't want our 'once' Great Britian to be basically ruled by other countries any more. I genuinely don't understand why people want to remain especially after seeing how we are and continue to be repeatedly shafted by the French and Germans etc. How can this be a good thing?

are we allowed to say that people in cities tended to vote remain or is this too upsetting?

Tooner
Are you happy with how democracy will work in the WTO ?

Another interesting argument - old people disproportionately voted leave, and have disproportionately died since the vote. Young people, now old enough to vote are more likely to vote remain . Assuming the same demographic spread, by January 2019 the leave majority would have disappeared

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-leave-eu-remain-vote-support-against-poll-uk-europe-final-say-yougov-second-referendum-peter-a8541971.html

can you explain what you mean by ruled?

can you explain how we've been shafted repeatedly?

when was 'great' britain at its greatest would you say?

I didn't want our 'once' Great Britian to be basically ruled by other countries any more.

Quite aside from the fact that we're not ruled by other countries (ffs)

GB was a total basket case in the 70s when we joined. Sick man of Europe and all that. We were lucky to be allowed in.

when was 'great' britain at its greatest would you say?
When it ruled lots of other countries without their consent of course

Wow. There's some pretty unedifying mud slinging going on here!

Apparently leavers are lazy, dim, racist & uneducated ... or maybe they are being deliberately misunderstood because they voted 'wrong'...?

This is not the ignorant minority we are talking about but HALF THE COUNTRY.

Shafted? You do realise, that if we wish to continue to trade with our nearest and most important export market (The EU) we will still have to abide by the rules set by the EU. Once we have left the EU we will have no say in the rules. Right now the UK has a veto (as a founding member of the EU) When we leave the other countries will not have any reason or need to consider "Great Britain" when setting these rules. When that happens you will see what shafted really means.

Apparently leavers are lazy, dim, racist & uneducated

They are on average less educated. That’s fact, not mud slinging.

I often wonder why the Lib Dems didn't do a lot better in the 2017 GE, as they were campaigning to remain?

Because Nick Clegg made lib dems unelectable when he sold them out for his 30 pieces of silver.

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I disagree Hereward. No mention was made of it being advisory or merely permission to open negotiations. We were asked if we wanted to stay or go. There's a lot of rewriting history to try and make out the referendum meant something other than what it was.^

Here’s one from 23 June itself. A quick google shows plenty from before the referendum.

Not taking sides here. But facts matter.

I remember just before the referendum Iain Dunked in Shit laughing saying the majority of council estate dwellers would be voting leave...make it that what you will...

Jassy, I meant by the government. It didn't matter that the referendum wasn't legally binding since the govt had promised to abide by it. They never treated it as advisory and therefore we didn't view it as such. Thus we all went to the polling station in the expectation that what was voted for would be done.

I voted to leave because I would rather a poorer but FAIRER Britain. The gap between the rich and poor is widening. People who leaving will result in the poorer getting poorer....how?! The country is already at an all time low with more people than ever needing the help of things like food banks just to survive. How can you really get much worse than that?!

Nothing ever gets done locally with MPs because all they do is shake their heads in dismay, hand wring and wail about not being able to make a real difference within local communities due to their hands being tied by parliament and Brussells. Well let’s take Brussels out of the equation shall we and then see what gets done!

The only people I’ve heard expressing dissatisfaction over the leave result is the local land owners/ farmers and other mostly RICH people. Yes, being in the EU benefits them greatly in terms of the big subsideries they get from the EU. Also, the cheap labour that they import from the E.U each year. Well how about we make that labour more attractive to local people by INCREASING the pittance they are paid.

There is going to be a shit storm for a while i we leave the E.U, it will result in job losses probably, yes. However, fast forward 5 years and I (personally) think the U.K will be in a better position for having left.

It’s well known mumsnet has a high income demographic, and I think that shows by the amount of protest to leaving on the forum. Remaining is serving them well.

If we keep going on the way we are, with the gap between rich and poor ever widening, then I really think we could witness great civil unrest in the next 10 years. (And yes I’m aware brexit could also cause this in the short term)

Well let’s take Brussels out of the equation shall we and then see what gets done!
or doesn't
then who will they blame ?