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AIBU to think that Leave voters who complain about a lack of democracy are hypocrites?

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KennDodd · 03/04/2019 20:37

Because they completely ignore the proven illegalities around the Leave campaign that would have made void the result had the referendum been binding.

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outpinked · 04/04/2019 10:28

A lot of them don’t understand what democracy means, many of them had no idea what they were voting for either. I’m not generalising all leave voters here but I read some snippets from the protests at the weekend and one guy equated it to ‘treason’ Confused.

They don’t seem to understand that a referendum result isn’t even legally binding.

Gilbert1A · 04/04/2019 10:35

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longwayoff · 04/04/2019 10:36

If you don't understand Gilbert, I don't find it in anyway surprising.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 04/04/2019 10:37

so why did anyone bother voting remain?

Because a referendum is like a fucking huge opinion poll

Why did anyone bother voting leave?

Gilbert1A · 04/04/2019 10:40

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Nanalisa60 · 04/04/2019 10:42

When we had the referendum back in 2016 we did not have all the facts!! I would like another referendum with just two questions!!

No 1 would you like to leave the EU without any deal - NO DEAL

No 2 Stay in the EU - Cancel Brexit

Then what ever the result it’s completely clear what the country wants!! Not what the bl**dy MP’s want

Gilbert1A · 04/04/2019 10:42

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Pengrin · 04/04/2019 10:44

I’m yet to meet a leaver who isn’t painfully dim and/or completely unaware of what they voted for.

Hereward1332 · 04/04/2019 10:48

go on, you're just dying to say leavers are thick

Up to you to decide if lower levels of formal education equates to being thick.

www.theweek.co.uk/89378/fact-check-did-uk-s-better-educated-vote-remain

Gilbert1A · 04/04/2019 10:48

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KidLorneRoll · 04/04/2019 10:51

The problem is not individual voters, it's that the process has been utterly mismanaged from start to finish.

Whilst I believe leaving the EU is nothing more than a willful act of self-sabotage that the majority of people in the UK now oppose, I can understand why people who voted leave would be frustrated.

Gilbert1A · 04/04/2019 10:52

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longwayoff · 04/04/2019 10:55

Dont be so touchy Gilbert, I was referring to you. Why dont you have a quick Google and see what Lynton Crosbie's been up to. It'll warm the cockles of your heart.

Justanotherlurker · 04/04/2019 11:04

Up to you to decide if lower levels of formal education equates to being thick.

Pretending more educated automatically means more intelligent is something only those without critical thinking skills fall into.

mummmy2017 · 04/04/2019 11:05

Labour could have stated at the GE that they would not support leaving and would revote ... Did they... No....
They knew if they did this they would lose ...
So both parties were voted in on a promise to leave... Strange that... Isn't it...

Gilbert1A · 04/04/2019 11:07

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Pengrin · 04/04/2019 11:09

Goodness me. This level of delusion boggles the mind.

Alsohuman · 04/04/2019 11:09

@Gilbert, older generation (65) with degree here. Some of my friends have degrees, some don’t but literally none of them voted leave.

How anyone can say that a confirmatory vote is ant democratic is beyond me; it’s the very essence of democracy.

DonaldTwain · 04/04/2019 11:10

The referendum result could not be legally binding, because of the constitutional doctrine that a parliament cannot bind its successors.
This is an aspect of the supremacy of parliament in our system. Something I thought leavers were terribly keen on, as they wanted to remove the power of the EU to limit parliaments authority.
They do get awfully upset when you call them stupid. So I won’t do that. I will just call them illogical, incoherent, inconsistent, and inarticulate.

Gilbert1A · 04/04/2019 11:11

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Alsohuman · 04/04/2019 11:14

That wasn’t the point I was making and well you know it. You can’t with any credibility generalise as you’re trying desperately to do. Quite honestly, your apparent inability to conduct a reasoned debate is doing you no favours.

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 04/04/2019 11:15

Absolutely. A majority of the people eligible to vote did not vote to leave, just a majority of those who could be bothered to vote.
If you CBA to vote then you are agreeing to accept the result whichever way it goes. Those who didn't vote clearly didn't feel strongly enough about remaining in the EU to get their arses down to the polling station!

Anon10 · 04/04/2019 11:20

And here we have it... as Gilbert says:

I'm fully aware of what I voted for, and no, I'm not going to explain for the 8 billionth time

As I said, leave voters are unable to explain the reasons they voted for Leave, because they are too embarrassed to admit that deep down it’s all about immigration.

Hereward1332 · 04/04/2019 11:20

If you CBA to vote then you are agreeing to accept the result whichever way it goes. Those who didn't vote clearly didn't feel strongly enough about remaining in the EU to get their arses down to the polling station!

Not really. It was an advisory referendum; a glorified opinion poll. With no information on what leaving would entail, I would imagine lots of people assumed the referendum was a mandate to open negotiations, not a mandate to commit economic hari kiri.

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 04/04/2019 11:21

Even though the referendum isn't legally binding, since the PM promised to abide by the result then of course people voted in the assumption that whatever was decided would actually happen.

Fed up of hearing that leavers don't understand democracy or were all fooled by the lines of Johnson and Gove. It's like have a GE and then deciding you don't like the result and having another GE to overturn it before the winning party has even formed a new govt!