AIBU to think that Leave voters who complain about a lack of democracy are hypocrites?

[KennDodd]

Because they completely ignore the proven illegalities around the Leave campaign that would have made void the result had the referendum been binding.

Fair enough, IWanna. I didn’t automatically read your ‘no one mentioned’ to mean ‘it was mentioned a lot but I trusted David Cameron when he said he’d abide by it regardless.’ I accept that was your intent.

Also the way the EU are acting is reinforcing their bad guy image to the very people you are calling... THICK.....

Listening to LBC this morning the political correspondent said that if May asks the EU for an extension past 12th April it is likely to be agreed by the EU, with conditions - one being that the UK must surrender Gibraltar. This will be non negotiable. We either accept the extension, with any conditions, or leave on the 12th.

If they do that do you think less people will see them as the "bad guy"?

Yes, of course leaving with a no deal, or a shit deal will improve poor people's lives

Not so long ago people had no choice than to leave school at 16 because they had to work to put into the family pot. So because they didn't spend years in education they must be thicker than those who did right?

Meanwhile there are 650 degree waving people, fighting amongst themselves, in a big house in London, making themselves look like utter fools and bringing our country down with them.

What did someone say about people with degrees being cleverer than those without?

My DH is a mechanic. He has always said people who turn up for interviews, waving their degrees, might be academically brilliant. But they have no common sense. I think he's right.

Listening to LBC this morning the political correspondent said that if May asks the EU for an extension past 12th April it is likely to be agreed by the EU, with conditions - one being that the UK must surrender Gibraltar.
But the EU have never said such a thing.
Who was this "correspondent" ?

So because they didn't spend years in education they must be thicker than those who did right

omg.

how many times does it have to be said? less educated means less educated. it doesnt mean thick.
do you genuinely not get that?

A poorer but fairer britain ? If you really think that will be the end result then you are sadly very naive and deluded. Just look at the cheer leaders for brexit and you will see that most of them are more bothered about cutting that irritating red tape (otherwise known as those pesky EU rules and regulations that protect the environment, food standards and employment rights) and increasing profits. You think that the kind of people who voted for cuts to benefits and the gradual dismantling of public services amongst other things really care about the ordinary people ? Dream on ...and funnily enough many of the 'big landowners/farmers' voted firmly in favour of brexit as did some infamous city traders wanting to short the pound. If you think you're going to get some kind of quasi socialist nirvana when we crash out you'll be sadly disappointed.

TalkinPaece

It's the usual one. Can't remember if it is Tom Swarbirck (?sp) or Theo Usherwood. He was talking to James O'Brien this morning.

His opinion was that the 27 states will now jointly set the conditions for extending the deadline. They will be fixed and non negotiable and the surrender of Gibraltar might well be one of the conditions.

@LaurieMarlow yeah you're really not showering yourself in glory here. Why not try NOT finding reasons to dismiss the other half's opinion.

People turn up for a mechanics job waving their degrees ! Really ? Maybe those people fighting in parliament are seriously concerned about the horrendous impact of brexit on the economy and peoples everyday lives.

a poorer but FAIRER Britain.

You actually looked at JRM, Boris, and Farage, and you thought, yes these are the people to bring social justice to this country, these are the people who care about us.

Unbelievable.

His opinion was that the 27 states will now jointly set the conditions for extending the deadline.
Based on what evidence ?

yeah you're really not showering yourself in glory here. Why not try NOT finding reasons to dismiss the other half's opinion.

What on earth is upsetting you so much about this?

JRM et al are disaster capitalists, fair is one thing they are not 😏

yeah you're really not showering yourself in glory here. Why not try NOT finding reasons to dismiss the other half's opinion.

What the actual fuck?

I am pointing out a clear, verifiable fact. I have not speculated anything at all from that fact, much less dismissed anyone’s opinion. Show me where I’ve done this.

It’s impossible to have a straightforward argument on here if people are going to react aggressively to statements of fact.

lefields the government made local governments responsible for so much so that - SO THAT - they could wring their hands and say they were powerless and allow local governments to take the blame.

Things don't get done locally because the Tory govmt have decentralised power then forced massive MASSIVE cuts in local authority spending and that's why we are seeing a decline in so much, everywhere.

It is not the EU to blame for austerity and widening gap between richer and poorer. The EU is a convenient scapegoat for the rancid right wing of the Tory party.

TalkinPaece

I don't know. He was explaining the process. That the 27 member states now decide the conditions of an extension. They will be presented to May on the 10th. They are not negotiable. Parliament will vote on the 11th to accept them or not. He said May has to offer the Tories a free vote and he doubts that Corbyn could whip in favour. If parliament rejects it we will leave without a deal on the 12th (unless they revoke I guess, but he didn't say that).

That was his entire report.

I (personally) think the U.K will be in a better position for having left.

Can you list a few reasons why you think that?

fc301 I'm prepared to say half the country is badly educated, bigoted and thick. Those who voted leave showed those traits in bucketloads. It's our governments' fault over the years for reducing education to rote learning rather than thinking; for allowing the dumbing down of the media, serving brain-deadening shite on tv, and failing to address the race and other divisions in the country. It is not so much each individual persons fault, but they are the needed product of a capitalist and classist society - the government does not want people who are educated intelligent and unified. That's the whole point. Brexit voting showed up the appalling divide that is the necessary evil of capitalism

Totally agree Bucking, austerity is to blame, not the EU.

how many times does it have to be said? less educated means less educated. it doesnt mean thick

And the mantra of remainers on this site is always 'Leavers are thick, stupid, racist, old, don't know what they voted for, duped' ....
I know many leave voters who are anything but. I also know many remain voters who are not well educated, myself included. Many of my son's university friends voted leave. One size doesn't fit all.

Of course they're hypocrites - they're Leavers! Those are the sort of people who care nothing for facts or logic or consistency. The only reason they are frightened of a second referendum is because they are afraid they will lose.

But less educated means less educated - and that is a fact. You do understand that, right?

Do you get angry when people say that Scotland voted remain too?

As brexit hasn't happened, nobody has lost their job due to brexit,

That is categorically untrue JustOneMoreStep. I lost my job due to Brexit, as have others. It was funded by the EU, the funding was not renewed because Brexit means we're leaving the EU, so why would they continue to give us money?