to ask why are we not rioting?

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our political system is in chaos....we have a PM who has lost vote after vote...a useless Opposition....no one seems to know what they're doing and if any thread on here is indicative of anything, there is considerable support for no-deal and considerable support for dropping the matter altogether...why are we not rioting? seriously? I don't understand why we are sitting passively by and watching this shower of shite happen/not happen?

I’d like to ask a question of the Leavers predicting riots with such gloomy relish.
Who exactly are the Leave voters you think will take to the streets with Molotov cocktails? Will you be doing it yourselves because you genuinely believe so passionately in democracy? Because if that’s the case why have you not managed to organise a single peaceful demonstration of more than a few dozen people demanding that politicians respect the will of the people. Why have you failed to come up with a workable Brexit plan you can all support?
Or are you assuming that the venal and amoral manipulators leading your cause will whip up the great unwashed, and get them to do your dirty work while you twitch your net curtains and put your cats bum faces on, because what did we expect? And if so, is that your idea of democracy and control?
No. Your attitude to this is exactly the same as your attitude to everything. You’ll probably blame Remainers for failing to come up with a plan for you.

I think LBC is encouraging aggressive behaviour. There was some idiot caller last night talking about traitor MPs. The presenter just seems to encourage callers to feel outraged. If there are s any rioting it will be a small number of misguided morons.

I think most people are thoughtful enough to understand that rioting will do nothing to help the situation and it will only hit individuals, not those who are making the decisions.

However, I must say, everyone, is not just sitting back watching and doing nothing. There are lots of groups, on all sides, putting pressure on MPs to come to a solution. I think maybe this is not as visible as it could be, because generally political literacy in this country is pretty poor. Which itself is not surprising. I would like to see a decent amount of the curriculum dedicated to ensuring people understand how the country is run, how laws and changes come into force and how each person can make their voice heard.

I was fortunate enough to be bought up in a family heavily involved in politics, so learnt about our political systems and parliament from a young age. If I had to rely on the information provided at school, I would be woefully unprepared to even begin to know how to navigate the political system in our country.

Perhaps my school was particularly bad at teaching how our parliamentary system works, however, if I were to place a bet, I would put my money on most (state) schools being the same.

Ever been caught in a riot OP? It's fucking terrifying. Terrifying. Fuck that. Everything seems a good idea from the safety of your couch. The real thing is a very different animal. When you've had to clean tear gas from your eyes, while trying to make sure the people you're with (no, not people taking part, innocent bystanders) are OK, then you might, just might, have a clue.

I’m looking forward to my 87 year old DM rioting when she realises that she won’t get the Brexit she thinks she wants.

I’ll probably need to explain that “kettling” doesn’t involve a nice cup of tea.

None of the Leavers I know will be rioting. One is a vicar. One is my SiL who totally admits giving in to the Imp of the Perverse when she voted and the others who voted hoping to trigger a border poll in NI. Apart from the vicar none were actually that bothered about leaving in the first place.

Springwalk the Netherlands do not have a far right majority. The recent elections were not for the equivalent of the HoC - they were for an overarching parliament of regions for which the UK doesn't have an equivalent. I'd be interested to see if an election for the Tweede Kamer 'Second Chamber, the HoC equivalent) would throw up an identical result.

The Netherlands have had a far right party providing the equivalent of Confidence & Supply before - that was Geert Wilders' party a few years ago. It didn't end well for that party and they suffered heavy electoral defeat during the next parliamentary elections.

I'm also sick hearing you shift the blame for any potential future rioting onto remainers. Any rioting will be the responsibility of those doing the rioting, and I hope that if it ends up happening, they will pay the price in the form of major jail time.

So how close to the border does your sil live and how did she cope losing friends and family during the trouble, DioneTheDiabolist, or is she just thick?

I'm also sick hearing you shift the blame for any potential future rioting onto remainers.
Absolutely agree with you, pointything.

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Why not throw a rhino into the mix? Might get things moving 😁

Oh please don't.

As someone married to a riot cop please. Just. Don't.

They're already on 'brexit' shifts as a precautionary measure

EU citizen here, non uk.
As op I'm surprised (pleasantly) that you haven't had any violence and riots. Reading a lot of Brexit threads on MN, you wonder why not. The way people are flaming each other, and the hatefullness on these threads is horrid. If people in rl are just as agitated, you are very lucky it hasn't escalated.
I have desperately been trying to comprehend the British political system and the way Brexit is being conducted, and I find it very difficult to understand the way your politicians act and that you put up with it.

I know you will say that the political parties will suffer by the next general election. But my fear (as it would also be for my own country) is that you get politicians elected that are 'trump' like, because people are fed up with the establishment.

A part of me hopes that whatever happens there won’t be a riot as plainspeaking said while previous demos that became riots were for good reasons speak to many who did the damage and looting and it became about greed and was found to be humorous to go back to those areas knowing the damage done to those communities. The 2011 riots some freely admitted traveling to the area to start trouble. We do not need or want this as already said it’s terrifying and harms ordinary people and those airing legitimate grievances.
So in answer I hope it’s because people are being sensible and doing amazing things like Saturday and peacefully protesting and I have seen many multicultural peaceful protests as someone close to central London

Because we would only harm ourselves, and each other by doing that. And the Government has inflicted enough hurt on us, and what they're doing has only just begun.

'Remainers go incredibly silent when we talk about the consequences of overthrowing democracy.'

Quite the opposite. In fact I think it is undemocratic not to allow us a second vote based on the fact that the leave campaign was misleading. It is our own Government who are overthrowing democracy. Not surprising considering the amount of MPs who stand to gain financially from Brexit. Make no mistake, that's what the Tories have always been about.

I'm also seriously at the idea that reconsidering an almost 3 year old vote in an advisory referendum tainted by corruption is somehow 'overthrowing democracy', but trying to push the same rejected idea three times isn't, and having an out of cycle General Election to get a bigger majority isn't either.

Some people are very selective about what democracy is.

Remainers go incredibly silent when we talk about the consequences of overthrowing democracy.'

There's a lot of politicians who have changed their tune in order to secure the future of their party rather than fight for the good of the country.

I don’t know what you mean gummy ear

There is a much bigger problem going on here though.

It's so much more critical than people seem too realise,on here anyway. .

A vote has taken place that people participating in, took in good faith. ..

If parliament doesn't honour that vote....

It's massive crisis for us.

It's massive crisis for us.
Not half as massive as a no deal Brexit will be

I have desperately been trying to comprehend the British political system and the way Brexit is being conducted, and I find it very difficult to understand the way your politicians act and that you put up with it.

Please tell us how to stop it! The only way I can see is to go back 40 years and .. then how to shake some sense into Blair?? Maybe re-create the land bridge into Europe? Stop the internet ? No time machine though. Seriously, if you have any solutions please let us know.

Remainers go incredibly silent when we talk about the consequences of overthrowing democracy.

What a load of complete bollocks

dark, oh I would love to help 😀. Guess I could make a fortune.

What is soo incomprehensible to me, is that ALL your politicians haven't joint forces 'against' the EU in order to get the best deal possible.

On a different note... In our media they have now commented that the EU politicians and EU civil servants assumed that the current Brexit deal vote was the EASY part, and that the negotiations following that would be the hard ones, re. everyone getting the best deals possible. They implied that now noone knows how these negotiations will be possible, since uk cannot agree domestically.

The idea that democracy exists in Britain is one of biggest successful propaganda pieces ever, along with the idea that our HoC is 'the mother of all parliaments'. No one gave a damn about democracy until the referendum happened. It had already been overthrown. That's half of what the Brexit vote was about, wasn't it, a huge protest vote against it's lack.

Democracy is information, education, discussion, negotiation, and change. Who benefits from telling us that we can't have a second referendum? Who has been selling us all these messages about the referendum and about the EU for the last 40 years? The EU is us, we are the EU, and we cannot simply 'leave' without consequences.