to ask why are we not rioting?

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our political system is in chaos....we have a PM who has lost vote after vote...a useless Opposition....no one seems to know what they're doing and if any thread on here is indicative of anything, there is considerable support for no-deal and considerable support for dropping the matter altogether...why are we not rioting? seriously? I don't understand why we are sitting passively by and watching this shower of shite happen/not happen?

Thank goodness we are NOT rioting!

It is the one rhino that gives me hope.

Thing, not 🦏

🙂

I agree that the situation is serious but rioting and other knee-jerk/ primitive responses would not be helpful
Chaos is dangerous and provides opportunities for those with predatory or exploitative intent to gain ground

We should be encouraging calm intelligent discussions

Oh, let's not

OP why would we riot?

there might be something to be said for rioting against something unjustly imposed, but here we have a half/half split - and you want riots?! Er, no.

Dolores

Democracy can ONLY work with the agreement and trust between the people and parliament. That trust is not a given, parliament earns our trust by enacting the results of elections and referendums.

If you hold a referendum and do not follow the result, you are therefore making the referendum mechanism and therefore all forms of voting entirely void. Referendums are there to provide a majority result.

If you choose to ignore the result, then the voting system crashes, as will the trust and creditability of the system is lost by both sides. It sinks the whole system of voting for governments too, so when the election comes we can just keep having elections until we get the right result no? How will any government function after the referendum is ignored?

I can just simply overthrow the government of the day and let parliament take over no? This is precisely what we will see if we crash democracy I can assure you.

We have to respect the result. We have to implement the result, and then and only then in time we can have another referendum.

This is the only way to keep our democracy in tact.

The ONLY reason why brexit has not happened already is because of a remain majority of MPs. It is being run 'aground' as you say quite deliberately. This is not democracy and never will be.

Anyone fighting against the result, is fighting against democracy. They will be the same people up in arms when the country loses democracy and is taken over by god knows what.

It is so sweet the posts that claim they don't know anyone who wants to riot. Of course you don't. They aren't going to advertise to you what they will do should the need arise. Honestly the naivety on this thread is astounding (as are the silly little jibes about waitrose) It is a way to try and change the tone, well you can change the tone, but you can't change the facts.

And the fact is there will be 17.4 million very very angry voters if brexit is in any way compromised. You may feel these people are not the 'type' to riot, or cause a fuss. But then you thought that about winning the referendum and look how that turned out?

Perhaps your judgement isn't as sharp as you think it is, and your world knowledge about power structures in addition.

If you can provide me with an example of an elected government not going on to govern, I might agree with your argument inasmuch as it's based on an equivalence between referendums and GEs and I would have a serious rethink.

But referendums aren't GEs. And advisory referendums aren't mandatory referendums.

Votes of no confidence could be argued to be an overturning of the public vote in the sense that they (usually? always? not sure) lead to a fresh General Election - i.e. a revote, imagine that - but I don't see anyone arguing that they lead to the death of democracy.

This is the only way to keep our democracy in tact.
Even if you're right, Spring, my point is really, if we sink the country observing democracy, then was democracy worth it? It's a thought, isn't it?
FWIW, I honestly think democracy will survive this and we will have learned an enormous amount from the exercise. Certainly a great deal more than we learned from the 2011 referendum on AV, which was also about democracy but had a turnout only half that of the referendum, if my fact-checking is up to scratch.

Most sensible adults in the UK know rioting isn't the answer, there's enough problems in this country without adding more, Brexit was never going to be easy, i don't let it bother me that much, what will be will be,

@springwalk a pp above posted a very useful summary of the kinds of people who riot. Many people simply don’t know people like that. I can’t think of a single person I know who would do that kind of thing. The vast majority of people I know are either SAHP or professionals or ex orofessional SAHP. At any rate, theyreare people who have too much to loose. Like most people. Most people have too much too loose to risk convictions or worse by participating in a riot. Brexit, one way or the other, isn’t going to create the kinds of conditions where people will react with indiscriminate violence.

Remainers go incredibly silent when we talk about the consequences of overthrowing democracy.
Overthrowing democracy? You mean like breaking campaign rules so that the electoral commission fine to the extent of their power and lament they couldn't do more? Except refer key members of the Leave Campaign to be investigated by the National Crime Agency.

Leave broke the rules in an attempt to overthrow democracy, and I hope the individual members are jailed for it. The people need to learn that you can't trust cunts like Aaron Banks.
Democracy can ONLY work with the agreement and trust between the people and parliament. That trust is not a given, parliament earns our trust by enacting the results of elections and referendums.

That trust is not a given, parliament earns our trust by enacting the results of elections and referendums.
Which abide by election legistlation and are legally binding. Unfortunately for Leavers, this was not the case in this referendum.

Can I please also reiterate the distinction between direct democracy and representative democracy. What is going on in parliament is an example of representative democracy (and incidentally the form of democracy that has more constitutional clout in Britain). Before we start raving about overthrowing democracy can we actually understand it?

And the fact is there will be 17.4 million very very angry voters if brexit is in any way compromised

don't be ridiculous.

I would love it if Theresa May was honest enough to tell the nation the truth. The country has spent over two years trying to create a workable plan for Brexit and prepare for trade deals with countries outside the EU. Neither has gone as well as hoped, and it’s now clear that every Brexit scenario will leave us worse off than our current deal with the EU. Now that we know the reality, we should have another vote. Do we still want Brexit and if so, which version do we want?

I can’t even empty my email spam folder without my computer asking me if I’m sure, so the idea that we can’t rethink something as serious as Brexit is bizarre. Would it really be overthrowing democracy to ask voters to be more specific about what they want?

Hang on a minute, are there actually people on this thread claiming that the reason there weren't riots on Saturday was because the majority were white?  
Fucking hell.

@OhYouBadBadKitten I didn't read it that way, just that we do have an often racist press - the colour of a person gets mentioned if they're not white, headlines aren't ever "a WHITE gunman" it's just "a gunman" but if black it's mentioned as though it means anything. When white people do it - more likely to be reported accurately as "a protest" when more black people do, media is quicker to call it "a riot" even if it was say merely one or two incidents and not the group as a whole amongst a huge number of people, it gets reported with a negative slant much faster the darker the colour of your skin imo

Does the EDL have riots or marches? Despite the violence that's happened at them tbh I've always heard it reported as "marches"

But anyways - I hope we don't riot. Think we have no clue really what the outcome will be yet that like PPs have said - we still have some hope. Whichever camp we are in.

It is so sweet the posts that claim they don't know anyone who wants to riot

It would be helpful if you coukd define 'know'

My friends wouldn't riot, neither would my dad......i may well come into contact with people who would riot but i dont have any in my friendship group

Or where i work

I was part of a debate that included seventy year middle/upper class kindly old grannies determined to riot of democracy is overthrown,

They'd be pants at it. I doubt they'd have the reach, strength or speed for good rioting. But thanks for my favourite quote in this debacle so far Springwatch.😂😂😂

Riot Granny in Greece

Wonder when the OP will come back?

OP is too busy trying to instigate riots to come back

OP has been at work but don’t let that get in the way of your nastiness, will you?

op now referring to herself in the 3rd person!

op now referring to herself in the 3rd person!

Utterly speechless at that.

Thanks for those who have responded. To be clear, my intention was never to ‘incite violence’, rather to ponder at how dire the situation is (whichever side of the fence you sit on), and how quiet we all are when as far as I can see, things are hanging and hanging and hanging. I am just surprised that it hasn’t kicked off, that’s all, particularly as feelings run so high both way.