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Original poster

To think the only viable Brexit option now is to revoke A50

317 replies

Bearbehind · 21/03/2019 06:34

Theresa Mays speech last night was a disgrace and will only have hardened MP’s positions - there’s no way her WA will get voted through, even if another vote is allowed.

There is no appetite for No Deal from anyone who understands its consequences so that just leaves revoke.

TM has been the master of saying one thing and doing the complete opposite.

I’m now convinced she’s going to revoke and resign.

Or is that just wishful thinking?

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lubeybooby · 21/03/2019 13:44

I'd like to think revoking is an option but hard Brexit seems far more likely

badlydrawnperson · 21/03/2019 13:57

What are those options?

No deal Brexit
General election
Keep having referendums until remain wins

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Bearbehind · 21/03/2019 13:58

Hard Brexit will damage the economy beyond belief.

TM may well be psychotic enough to do it just to get her own way and save face (yes she is that insane) but surely parliament cannot and will not allow her to.

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Bearbehind · 21/03/2019 14:00

For No deal, see above.

A GE won’t help. Whilst Corbyn is leader of the Labour Party they will not win. The only possible way a GE would help us if Labour stood on a Remain ticket.

Referendum - no time

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FinnegansWhiskers · 21/03/2019 14:01

^My predicted outcome is.
Deal will be rejected
TM
Will resign or be pushed out
jRM will step in. Hard brexit
I blame Jezza and every single MP more than I blame TM tbh. No one has been working for the country since 2016!!!
Jezza basically finished himself yesterday after that performance. He wasn’t popular before. Now he has No chance at winning an election. Labour need to get rid^

This ^ In a nutshell...

bellinisurge · 21/03/2019 14:02

Jrm cannot just "step in". Lidington would be the caretaker PM until there was a Tory leadership election.

FinnegansWhiskers · 21/03/2019 14:21

It wont be long before they appoint a new leader. Everyone is sick to death of TM and her deal

Looks like the extension has been rejected
then....
www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/brexit-eu-rejects-mays-request-for-three-month-delay/ar-BBV2MPX?ocid=spartandhp

blackteasplease · 21/03/2019 14:21

How can Jezza or any other MP, especially opposition, be more to blame than the actual prime minister?

badlydrawnperson · 21/03/2019 14:46

TM may well be psychotic enough to do it just to get her own way and save face (yes she is that insane) but surely parliament cannot and will not allow her to.

How would they stop her?

Parliament doesn't want her deal. She won't revoke A50.

MPs voting against a no deal Brexit doesn't mean it won't happen.

I also think it's a bit unlikely that a majority of MPs would vote to revoke A50 in any case, even though the majority are remain supporters.

The OPs contention that revocation of A50 is the only viable option is U - there are other viable options - but not of course if you are a retainer and got the wrong answer in 2016.

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Bearbehind · 21/03/2019 15:10

As mad as she is, she cannot unilaterally force no deal against the will of parliament.

That really would destroy the Tory party.

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ChardonnaysPrettySister · 21/03/2019 15:15

But there seems to be no way out.

If May's deal is voted down there will be no extension, though why would we need an extension if the deal is voted through I don't know. And then, according to Macron and Tusk we will have a No Deal Brexit.

Unless TM revokes, which she won't.

It's all shittier than a shitty shit.

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Bearbehind · 21/03/2019 15:17

though why would we need an extension if the deal is voted through I don't know.

Because, even if it’s voted through, there’s not enough time to make it happen.

It is crap, every which way, which is why only revoke is viable now.

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ChardonnaysPrettySister · 21/03/2019 15:21

Yes, so the extension will be to sort things out technically, not for more time to make a decision, so it's not exactly an extension, IYSWIM.

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Bearbehind · 21/03/2019 15:25

But that is dependent on the vote passing, when nothing has changed and TM has just annoyed everyone.

Not going to happen,

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Imnotswallowingthat · 21/03/2019 15:29

Revoking A50 can't happen without an Act of Parliament. No matter how many people sign that petition, do you honestly think there'd be a majority in the HOC (and then HOL) to implement it ?

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 21/03/2019 15:31

So that leaves No Deal.

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Bearbehind · 21/03/2019 15:31

Happy to be proved wrong but I think revoking A50 is one thing TM can do unilaterally.

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Chloemol · 21/03/2019 15:41

It’s all very well blaming TM but in my opinion the buck stops with the EU. All they had to do was give some concessions to David Cameron and we would still be in. But no, they wouldnt, in their arrogance they did not read the country ( in the same way they didn’t understandGreece or Italy) so there was a vote. Then MPs decided they didn’t need to follow the will of the people, who voted to leave, by doing their own thing and making everything about them rather than the country, parties imploded, there is a opposition leader who believes in throwing his out his toys, no wonder she lost it and said what she did. Would you want to try and lead this bunch of muppets into an agreement? I don’t envy her her job, and actually don’t believe it’s all down to her, every mp has to take a portion of the blame

ahtellthee · 21/03/2019 15:44

@Chloemol why should
the EU have to give concessions? The UK already had a special deal. We can't expect them to give us everything that we ask for, because we think we deserve it. That sets a precedent, which will quickly become a free for all.

The UK isn't special...

badlydrawnperson · 21/03/2019 15:45

Happy to be proved wrong but I think revoking A50 is one thing TM can do unilaterally.

I think Gina Miller stopped that option.

Imnotswallowingthat · 21/03/2019 15:49

Bearbehind The Supreme Court ruled that an Act of Parliament was necessary to invoke. Many legal experts are of the opinion that it must follow that one is also needed to revoke, although it has not actually been tested in the courts.

BertrandRussell · 21/03/2019 15:51

“ but in my opinion the buck stops with the EU. All they had to do was give some concessions to David Cameron and we would still be in”

What concessions?

QueenOfIce · 21/03/2019 15:56

What was that speech? She is so wooden and unfeeling. But it's ok because whatever happens her nest is feathered and she won't feel any of the upheaval the rest of the UK might. Our entire government is a disgrace wish we could bin the lot of them.

Elloduckie · 21/03/2019 15:58

Sign the petition if this is the way you feel:petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

PigeonofDoom · 21/03/2019 16:08

I love that people look at the complete mess our government is in and say ‘yep, all the EUs fault’. How?! They have their shit together, we do not. It is that simple. They have stated all along what they will and won’t agree to, it’s May that went to them with her ridiculous set of requirements. It was always, always pie in the sky. You cannot have the benefits of the single market without being in it.

I just can’t be arsed anymore. I’ll go back to my day job where I’m sorting out the mess leave voters have made of this country. You think people would care just how much public money is being sunk into trying to prevent damage from brexit but nope. Will of the people etc etc Hmm