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To think the only viable Brexit option now is to revoke A50

317 replies

Bearbehind · 21/03/2019 06:34

Theresa Mays speech last night was a disgrace and will only have hardened MP’s positions - there’s no way her WA will get voted through, even if another vote is allowed.

There is no appetite for No Deal from anyone who understands its consequences so that just leaves revoke.

TM has been the master of saying one thing and doing the complete opposite.

I’m now convinced she’s going to revoke and resign.

Or is that just wishful thinking?

OP posts:
FriendOrFaux · 22/03/2019 07:02

A far greater cabal of the Establishment, millionaires, banking groups etc etc pressed for Remain. And yeah, they've always looked out for the ordinary person. Haven't they?

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Bearbehind · 22/03/2019 07:03

The only people bleating are remainers

Even if that was true, which it isn’t, that is a problem in itself.

No one is getting what they want here - it’s just a case of what is the least worst option now.

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FriendOrFaux · 22/03/2019 07:05

So I've imagined the impassioned cries of we're all doomed, what are we to do, etc?
Okay then...

bellinisurge · 22/03/2019 07:08

You haven't heard people being angry yet.

Helmetbymidnight · 22/03/2019 07:09

A far greater cabal of the Establishment, millionaires, banking groups etc etc pressed for Remain. And yeah, they've always looked out for the ordinary person. Haven't they?

You voted with the far-right groups, the racist groups, even Putin and Isis think Britain should be out of the EU (to be weaker). The Leave campaigners are going to be just fine - Lawson has gone to France, JRM has his money in Dublin, Farage has EU passports, Dyson has his move to Singapore. Boris and Gove are doing fine. Even the MN brexitteers admit that the leavers they know are all comfortably off, and they don't give a fuck about the economy.

Please don't tell me you are a w/c poorer Brexiteer. Grin You really have been conned.

bellinisurge · 22/03/2019 07:09

As for "what are we to do" - yes you have imagined that because that is the opposite of people's response to this shitshow.

N0rdicStar · 22/03/2019 07:11

The only people beating are remainers. Seriously.GrinDo you not watch the news or just chose to ignore the bickering between the leavers. Ignoring the truth got us into this mess doing so now really won’t help your cause. The public are far more savvy and pissed off.

Helmetbymidnight · 22/03/2019 07:13

As for this: banking groups etc etc pressed for Remain.

Yeah, financial services is our biggest industry. 60 percent of our tax receipts come from then. So if you think screwing them in favour of a tiny industry like fishing was a good idea...

Since the ref, most of the banking groups have contingency plans out of the city. Well done Leavers though. You'll be so proud when there's no money to pay for anything.

randomsabreuse · 22/03/2019 07:19

The advisory referendum campaign was so illegal that if it had been binding it would have been quashed and rerun. The result was a tight win for leave.

NI and Gibraltar were the two big worries, and a lot of the campaign for the Scottish Indyref focussed on remaining in the EU/difficulty joining as independent Scotland. Scotland voted to remain in the EU in the recent referendum.

However the only people benefiting from the current uncertainty and who would benefit from a no deal brexit are the hedge funds and asset strippers who will make a fortune.

Deadbydaylight · 22/03/2019 07:19

To be honest I think we are now fucked.

She will try a third time and be rejected.
She will probably resign at this point.
And really, the EU heads could easily tell us to fuck off even without a 'leader'.

I think we are probably heading towards a no deal brexit with a captain less sinking ship. Well done to those who voted leave, hope you're happy. No complaining now about it. You wanted this.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 22/03/2019 07:26

Banking sector pressed for Remain because they need to work. We need them to work, love them or hate them, because we finance our public spending with their tax.

They can up and leave, it's not like they need a manufacturing base to stay.

The car manufacturing companies are considering leaving even though they have a manufacturing base.

How are we going to finance the public spending? That's our health service, schools, police, benefits?

Am I moaning? Not yet, but we all will be if we get a No Deal or a bad Brexit.

Why can't you see that?

Helmetbymidnight · 22/03/2019 07:26

Unfortunately, whatever outcome there is now, a huge, huge amount of damage has already been done and we are much weaker than before.

Hotterthanahotthing · 22/03/2019 09:13

I understood the referendum to be an d advisory vote.After Cameron left and May got in the MPs were the ones to vote to go with leave,without their vote nothing would have changed and we'd still be in the EU.
Sadly our most are going like lemmings off a cliff and we are going with them.
Where did May get her red lines from,I don't remember those on my ballot paper.If May is the real issue then why did so many people still vote for her?

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 22/03/2019 09:25

May is definitely an issue, but those voting for this shit must accept their responsibility.

We are in this because no one ever cares about the fact that their actions have consequences. We are so used to someone telling us "There there" and picking up the pieces.

lubeybooby · 22/03/2019 10:22

as I understand it...

May's deal is the only deal available and will not be happening because it has too few Mp's backing it, and she threw them under the bus the other day likely losing even more backing

Extension/Revoke/Remain will not be happening because May is determined we leave one way or another. All the petitions and protests in the world are too little too late on that one. Also no extension, because to be granted an extension May would have to guarantee her deal would get through, which as already mentioned, it won't.

SO.. No deal Brexit it is, on the 29th March

I personally wish that wasn't the case and if anyone knows me to be wrong on the above please say so. But this seems to be the situation.

Helmetbymidnight · 22/03/2019 10:32

Nothing's clear - May has consistently pretended there is only her option or No deal, but that's not actually the case.

A second ref or a general election or a revocation or even a new PM would change the situation massively.

scaryteacher · 22/03/2019 10:43

I think it's actually WTO Brexit on 11 April, the day before we have to notify the Commission if we are taking part in the EU Parl elections and need a longer extension.

I think this If you voted leave you voted for something with no plan, no consensus, lead by a weak government with a small majority. is a tad disingenuous given the referendum happened under Cameron and not May, and she only has a minority govt because she called an unnecessary GE, well after the referendum result.

I think those who voted Remain because they saw it as the status quo were not really thinking either. If you look at how the EU has changed since Lisbon was signed in 2007 (so in 12 years), what makes you think it has any intention of reining back on the ratchet of the acquis, and the changing of national competencies into EU competencies? Who knows where it will be in another 12 years, so those who demand Leavers predict the future - how about remainers have a go as to where the EU will be and what it will look like, and how it will have extended its powers over the next decade.

I hope we do not revoke, as we won't get another chance to leave. It was always a case of when not if, as the UK wasn't up for Schengen or the Euro, or further integration, and the divide was becoming apparent.

Tensixtysix · 22/03/2019 10:46

All of this sounds like a plot from the 'Mocking Jay' books.
Whatever happens, happens.

Helmetbymidnight · 22/03/2019 10:56

Whatever happens, happens.

Obviously.

PigeonofDoom · 22/03/2019 11:50

Cameron had a small majority, I was talking about his government.

PigeonofDoom · 22/03/2019 11:53

And if Cameron has had a strong government, he wouldn’t have needed to call the referendum in the first place.

livefornaps · 22/03/2019 11:54

Revoke dat shiiiiiittttt

BorisBogtrotter · 22/03/2019 12:02

"Who knows where it will be in another 12 years, so those who demand Leavers predict the future - how about remainers have a go as to where the EU will be and what it will look like, and how it will have extended its powers over the next decade."

If the EU will have extended its powers over the next decade it will be because national governments have agreed to it. You need to stop painting this as something that is done to us.

The UK doesn't have to be in the Euro or Schengen, that is its individual decision and again it could never have been forced upon us.

goldengummybear · 22/03/2019 12:54

Scary teacher - you make a good point about EU politics changing rapidly but before the referendum there was lots of talk about the Norway and Canada plus model. I am a Remainer and would accept out of the EU but in the Customs Union as the compromise position as I believe that the CU benefits me as a consumer and UK businesses too. I wonder if any Leave voters voted soft Brexit?