To think the only viable Brexit option now is to revoke A50

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Theresa Mays speech last night was a disgrace and will only have hardened MP’s positions - there’s no way her WA will get voted through, even if another vote is allowed.

There is no appetite for No Deal from anyone who understands its consequences so that just leaves revoke.

TM has been the master of saying one thing and doing the complete opposite.

I’m now convinced she’s going to revoke and resign.

Or is that just wishful thinking?

Ha cross post!

Teresa May didn't unilaterally decide to invoke article fifty, she put it to thr vote and got overwhelming support from thr house to do so. Now now, don't remind everybody that she isn't as uch the Maverick as some of the tabs are saying!

I don’t blame the PM. I think she’s as much as she can but she’s been thwarted at every turn.

Everyone keeps banging on about her ‘bad deal’ but it’s a 500 page document. I’ve not heard one single MP raise any objection other than the Irish backstop. It’s ONE issue, agreed an important one, but still only one. Which might never happen anyway.

People saying there was ‘no plan’. She made a plan when she became PM - she appointed a Brexit minister, and created a Brexit department, same for International Trade for trade deals, a negotiating team was created and she drew up her ‘redlines’ for negotiation (whether they were good or bad and whether they were stuck to is a different debate but nonetheless they existed). She also ordered government departments to start preparations for a no deal as a backup.

The decision that the deal had up be voted on by the House was made by the judiciary and not something she could control or anticipate in the beginning.

What will happen now? The deal will fail to pass on Monday and we will exit on Friday with no deal.

Why is that petition 'worth a sign'? It's expiry date is in August.... anything that could be done will be after Brexit date... it's a petition, one sided, one voice, self selecting etc etc etc.

Politically it won't mean anything and, at best, will be looked at and set aside with a weary sigh!

The sad state of politics, especially in the Tory party, is there’s no one else who would do a better job.

I don’t necessarily want her to resign, I think she should see it through, but if she revoked she’d have to go.

You're right, @DanglyBangly - disliking the backstop is the main reason people don't like WA. And all the fiddly stuff that goes with it.
We are honour bound to protect GFA. This is how we do it if we want to Leave.

It isn't 'especially trhe Tories' though it it?

We hae absolutely zero credible politicians lined up for any leadership position.

Find one... the Tories have the Old Guard, JRM etc.

Labour have, erm, erm,

Lib Dems.... [tumbleweed]

Fuck! That does seem to suggest JRM and a return to greater Patriarchal politics! Yay [said limply]

Disliking the backstop is just an excuse.

It’s a ‘backstop’ ie, it only comes into play if all else fails - preventing it happening is within our control in theory.

In reality we don’t want or plan to do anything any differently except to have all the perks of membership without the pesky bits we don’t like.

She will not revoke as she believes in Denocracy.

I almost wish it would happen only to hear the screams as UKIP sweep to power at the next election and take us out on the day after they hit Downing Street. Followed by whatever fascist agenda they think up.

It's reached an impasse. No part has majority but every part has just enough to block the other side.

Add to the mix opportunists like Boris, JRM, Bercow, Corbyn and the lot, garnish with a side of Barnier and Tusk and you have it. An utter fuck up.

She will not revoke as she believes in Denocracy.

She believes her own hype of being a "bloody difficult woman".

She had to problem doing an 180 on GE promises when it suits her.

Revoke of Article 50 very unlikely as Conservative MP's know they will never be elected again.

T May would choose no deal first as she can then say that Brexit was delivered.

I am sick to death of all of it. In NZ 50 people were slaughtered by a gunman and the Guardian’s headline (on their daily news email) was f*ucking Brexit. It needs sorting and not dragging on and on indefinitely. The government has other matters it needs to be dealing with.

Of course I understand the vital nature of it. I don’t think her backstop is so bad because what the hell will happen to Ireland if we don’t have it. And it is supposed to be only temporary in nature, it seems to me the best of a bad deal of options where NI and Ireland are concerned. If we crash out it’s only a matter of time until Scotland are voting to leave again and goodbye ‘Great’ Britain. This whole thing is making me sick to my stomach.

Revocation of A50 would be a miracle. General election would be a nightmare.

I just can’t imagine how this will all end.

Of course it's not going to be revoked. No one seriously thinks it's going to be, do they?

I think it's hugely simplistic to say Conservative voters want Brexit and Labour stands for Remain.

Both parties are split down the middle.

Revoke of Article 50 very unlikely as Conservative MP's know they will never be elected again.

The Tories are screwed every which way.

The WA is all the commitment with very few benefits and No Deal will destroy the economy.

None of the options are a great legacy. Revoke is the least worst choice.

Disliking the backstop is just an excuse. Absolutely!

It has been used by so many to delay and derail the negotiations. There could have been sch a dfferent outcome if theyhad all done thier jobs.

Remainers should have fought for closer relationships with some policies in the EU

Brexteers argued for severing links as they deemed fit/unfit

Done in good faith we mayhave got a different response from Barnier et al.

I've been lobbying my MP, he is at least doing what his constituency wanted. He has had some dialogue with those whose vote was in the minority, it may have helped, it may not have, but he has at least not ducked, lied or misrepresented. I don't even like the man (I've met him outside his official role), don't agree with his party politics but may vote for him as he has been failry open (for a wet lettuce).

Na! Your gazing into your crystal ball now!

I wouldn’t be writing off the Tories. There are enough terminally stupid people to keep electing them in the face of all evidence of how utterly evil they are, helped by our antiquated electoral system.

I have zero faith in an election making anything any better, because lots of people remain tribal and devoted to believing one or other main party has all the answers and the others are scum.

It's a shit show.
I have now idea how it will end but I fear the chaos of a no deal Brexit.

The only way left to register my protest is this petition.
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

I would love to revoke and forget the whole thing. I would love a lot less, the riots and destruction of democracy that would follow. What a mess

Whoop whoop, that petition is doing well.

There’s not many ways we can show what the ‘will of the people’ is now but between this petition and the Leavers walk, there’s a clear preference.

YABU there are a lot of other options.

But I realise that on here , only one opinion is allowed.

Whoop whoop, that petition is doing well.
Good luck getting past 17 million

What are those options?

I’m sure TM would like to hear if no one else.