To think the only viable Brexit option now is to revoke A50

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Theresa Mays speech last night was a disgrace and will only have hardened MP’s positions - there’s no way her WA will get voted through, even if another vote is allowed.

There is no appetite for No Deal from anyone who understands its consequences so that just leaves revoke.

TM has been the master of saying one thing and doing the complete opposite.

I’m now convinced she’s going to revoke and resign.

Or is that just wishful thinking?

To Langrish,

Generalisations about what and who the typical leave and remain voters are are not very valid as people from all types of backgrounds, education and profession voted both ways.

Only generalisation I would suggest is that since mid 80s and the shift from a manufacturing to a service economy the UK has become very divided between North and South. Prosperity seems to be mostly concentrated in London and the South East of the UK. Did those who do not live in either London or the south east feel as though they have been abandoned? Was a vote to leave their way of saying “what about us”.

I am from England and work alongside people from both Scotland and Ireland (NI) and they often say that because of their much smaller numbers compared to the rest of UK they feel as though they are passed over.

pizza

You might have missed my question...who said this?

ut according to remain voters everyone on the march (all one million of them) represents the will of the entire population (all 67 million of them)

Pizza: indeed, and I find the result very interesting in that respect. It was true that generally those English regions (we’re in the North) that felt abandoned and neglected for decades did vote to leave. However, Scotland and NI which felt equally ignored, voted the other way. And their wishes are still being completely ignored! Can’t imagine that’s going to help bolster the union.

Oh it’s all such a mess.

there were not a million on the march and many of those there were not necessarily eligible voters
the 'petition' is not the same as a valid scrutinised referendum or election
anyone can create multiple emails and 'sign' the petition when they are actually not legally entitled to vote in actual elections being too young or not British citizens
I know some on MN have admitted they let their children sign or teachers/lecturers encouraged children to sign - fine if they want to express an opinion on something as innocuous as school hours, or lollypop ladies wages but NOT for anything likely to damage our democracy because it will be touted by the biased media as some kind of 'vote'.

It is shameful how dismissive and downright nasty the 'remain' cohort are while they will use any trick in the book to get their own way. I am beyond angry - and no I am neither thick, elderly or racist just a patriot and dislike the way the EU is run

there were not a million on the march and many of those there were not necessarily eligible voters

You have no idea of the numbers and no one has said they were all eligible to vote

No one has said that a petition is the same as an election

There were certainly a million or more on the March.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47678763

Coverage by Katie Wright, BBC News, in Park Lane;

The blue and yellow of the EU was splashed all over the ever-expanding crowd, which was full of groups of families, friends, colleagues and political groups.

One member of the crowd, German-born vet Chris Reichmann, described it as a "carnival" atmosphere-with "lots of different nationalities" but "really British in a way".

Those who don’t vote obviously don’t care which way it goes
I know at least half a dozen people who were livid at not being able to vote. We live in a coastal town. Southern Rail was on strike. People commuting back from London found their 50 minute journey turning into a 5-6 hour journey, getting home after the polling station closed. Don't assume that because people didn't vote, they didn't care.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-eu-planning-theresa-may-commons-vote-a8838476.html?amp

The EU are stating they are ready for a no deal exit. Not sure British businesses are ready?

europa.eu/rapid/midday-express.htm

Press Release from the EU Commission today - they have completed their preparations for a possible 'no deal' scenario on 12th April.

As it is increasingly likely that the United Kingdom will leave the European Union without a deal on 12 April, the European Commission has today completed its “no-deal” preparations.

At the same time, it continues supporting administrations in their own preparations and urges all EU citizens and businesses to continue informing themselves about the consequences of a possible “no-deal” scenario and to complete their no-deal preparedness.This follows the European Council (Article 50) conclusions last week calling for work to be continued on preparedness and contingency.While a “no-deal” scenario is not desirable, the EU is prepared for it.Since December 2017, the European Commission has been preparing for a “no-deal” scenario.

It has published 90 preparedness notices, 3 Commission Communications, and has made 19 legislative proposals. It is now important that everyone is ready for and aware of the practical consequences a “no-deal” scenario brings.

Cross-post.

Including people who did not vote makes no sense. Those who don’t vote obviously don’t care which way it goes

On the subject of non-voters, it's a cute point to say the ones who could've voted in 2016 and didn't (and of course there are a couple of million people who could vote now who couldn't then) don't care, so don't need to be listened to. But the reality is that some of them do, and there are enough of them that their views need to be ascertained and paid attention to, rather than assumed. Yes, it's annoying that they didn't vote, especially the ones who are now raising complaints about the situation. But they still can't be ignored.

It's kind of like if I as a Remainer said to a Leaver who was getting annoyed at the prospect of Revoke or whatever, you voted for something you had no idea how to achieve nor what it would look like, so you've only yourself to blame if you don't get what you want now. I've got a point, but their feelings on the matter are still important and need to be considered. We need to think about more than whether views are objectively valid and justified, because we're in a position where they may still be significant regardless.

BBC was at a seminar of about 50/60 regional business leaders last week, who were being addressed by someone from the ministry on business preparedness for no deal. The reporter asked them to raise their hands if they felt their business was ready for that scenario. Not one hand went up. Not one. Doesn’t bode well does it?

Not sure British businesses are ready?

80% reported to be ready for no-deal;

www.theguardian.com/business/live/2019/mar/21/bank-of-england-brexit-uk-retail-sales-sterling-business-live

I imagined that joint CBI/TUC letter didn't i, @Clavinova ?

From Clavinova's link:
"However, that does not mean that a disorderly Brexit wouldn’t create serious problems."
"Nevertheless, many of those companies had also reported that there were limits to the degree of readiness that was feasible in the face of the range of possible outcomes in that scenario. These included issues relating to tariffs, border frictions, exchange rate movements and recognition of certifications, which many companies had noted were outside their control. In the Agents’ survey, companies had continued to report significantly weaker expectations of output, employment and investment in the event of a no-deal, no transition Brexit."

If you £350 Million for NHS my reply will be

There are no Brexit dividends until Brexit happens.

In which case it is obviously bullshit to give an exact sum for how much there will be.

It is going over old ground and I can't be bothered to repeat but here is a summary of some of the bullshit that was peddled by the Leave Campaign.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/final-say-brexit-referendum-lies-boris-johnson-leave-campaign-remain-a8466751.html

I imagined that joint CBI/TUC letter didn't I

The CBI have been lobbying for us to stay in the Single Market and the Customs Union - in fact, they don't want us to leave the EU at all. They also wanted us to adopt the Euro at the time.

On the subject of the EU, the CBI wants Britain to stay in, and work to become a central player in Brussels.

Last year (2014) BfB took aim at the CBI, revealing that the business group was receiving funds from the EU. - to conduct its surveys I believe.
www.cityam.com/206475/businesses-war-cbi-under-fire

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42765661

Jacob Rees-Mogg - we should ignore the CBI on Brexit: "They have got everything wrong in their history."

Britain needs a no-deal Brexit now-not a long delay, say entrepreneurs in swipe at CBI.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/22/britain-needs-no-deal-brexit-now-not-long-delay-say-entrepreneurs/

And the TUC are far too left-wing for me to take any notice of what they say. Although I do know that the TUC also wants us to stay in the Single Market and Customs Union.

Clav quoting JRM on the CBI, you really don't know what you are talking about.

What has JRM been right about anything

So the CBI, the TUC aren't good enough for you and you quote JRM the disaster capitalist at us?

Critical thinking fail again

So are the CBI extreme left wingers too?

Not sure I can be bothered with crass elitist like Jacob Rees-Mogg and his little fund that safely tucked away in the EU. He makes you look like someone who can't afford Lidl @Clavinova . But if you defer to posh boys for your opinion ....

So are the CBI extreme left wingers too?

They are both Remainers.

They don't want us to leave the EU - which is why they are scaremongering with their talk of a national emergency.

But if you defer to posh boys for your opinion

If JRM becomes the next PM - you might have to listen to him as well.

Wonders - can you get phone/radio reception in your underground shelter?

@Clavinova , you persist in your fantasy about me in an underground shelter. How odd.
In the unlikely event JRM becomes PM, I don't have to abide by his direction. What with this being a democracy.

"which is why they are scaremongering with their talk of a national emergency."

So what are all the other experts then?

Scaremongering = another learned by rote point, rather than accurate critique.

Its funny that you all attack the CBI for wanting to join the euro, but fail to point out the Dyson did too.

Clavinova is bored between trips to Waitrose and gutted that the best supermarkets are up North - Booths, dontcha know