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To think the only viable Brexit option now is to revoke A50

317 replies

Bearbehind · 21/03/2019 06:34

Theresa Mays speech last night was a disgrace and will only have hardened MP’s positions - there’s no way her WA will get voted through, even if another vote is allowed.

There is no appetite for No Deal from anyone who understands its consequences so that just leaves revoke.

TM has been the master of saying one thing and doing the complete opposite.

I’m now convinced she’s going to revoke and resign.

Or is that just wishful thinking?

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time4chocolate · 24/03/2019 18:44

Perhaps his sixty men forgot to tick the box then

The opportunity to tick the box is not upon us yet - its all about playing the long game.

Parker231 · 24/03/2019 21:23

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47652280

How much money has been wasted on Brexit preparation. Think how many hospitals could have benefited from that level of funding?

Figmentofmyimagination · 25/03/2019 08:41

Getting in for a quarter of the residents of Corbyn’s constituency have now signed the online petition calling for A50 to be revoked. That’s quite a strong message to him if he wants to remain an MP let alone stay as leader.

Dungeondragon15 · 25/03/2019 09:18

If there were 67 million people in the march I might agree with that comment. However, as there was 1 Million, which is less then 2% of the population, then I don’t agree that the March in London is representative of public opinion.

How would 67 million people even get to the march though. Most people are constrained by practical issues and in this case the feeling that it won't make any difference. The fact that even 2% of the population marched in London is incredible as it is likely to be a fraction of those who would like another referendum. The fact that 4 million people have signed a petition for just revoking article 50 is further evidence.

Dungeondragon15 · 25/03/2019 09:22

The fact that 4 million people have signed a petition for just revoking article 50 is further evidence.

I should have said over 5 million. That's just the number that are familiar with the internet, want to revoke article 50 (and sod asking the "people" again) and haven't just given up i.e. still quite a small fraction of those who would like to remain.

PizzaCafe2016 · 25/03/2019 09:26

The fact that even 2% of the population marched in London is incredible as it is likely to be a fraction of those who would like another referendum. The fact that 4 million people have signed a petition for just revoking article 50 is further evidence

What's to say that the 1 million who attended the march and the 5 million who signed the petition were not part of the 16.1 million that voted remain in 2016? ie nothing has changed.

17.4 million ticking the leave box on a ballot paper is more convincing than those who marched and signed the petition.

HappydaysArehere · 25/03/2019 09:29

I’ve signed the petition. Even tho I know the government will take no notice as there is a tunnel vision that Brexit is still the will of the people.

Dungeondragon15 · 25/03/2019 09:40

What's to say that the 1 million who attended the march and the 5 million who signed the petition were not part of the 16.1 million that voted remain in 2016? ie nothing has changed.

Because that would be illogical. Elections results are never exactly the same every time people vote so why would the referendum results be exactly the same? It is now clear that those who promoted leave were incompetent in that they had no strategy for leaving and lied to get people to vote their way. In addition many of the people who voted leave (older people) would have died and their place will be taken by younger voters who almost unanimously (if my DD's schools are anything to go by) want to remain.

I know some people who marched that either didn't vote in 2016 (because they were under 18 at the time) and also some who voted leave and have regretted it.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 25/03/2019 10:42

17.4 million ticking the leave box on a ballot paper is more convincing than those who marched and signed the petition

One was over 2 years ago and the other was a few days ago

Id say it was fairly relevant

Disclaimer.....i have said many times that i dont think a 2nd referendum is necessarily a good idea...though obviously if one came up i would vote in it as im not a complete idiot....just a partial one Grin

Bluntness100 · 25/03/2019 10:55

And 16. 1 voted to stay. And 13 million didn't vote at all. Which means 29 million people did not vote to leave versus the 17.4 who did.

Let's always try to paint the full picture. And not just part of ten story.

PizzaCafe2016 · 25/03/2019 11:16

Including people who did not vote makes no sense. Those who don’t vote obviously don’t care which way it goes

Bluntness100 · 25/03/2019 11:19

There can be many reasons people don't vote, and yes apathy at the time could be one of them. However it does not change it. Factually 29 million people did not vote for this, versus 17 who did. It is not the majority of the british adult public in any shape nor form. Pretending the majority of british people voted to leave is silly. Because factually the majority of british people did not. No where close.

PizzaCafe2016 · 25/03/2019 11:24

Even more did not vote remain. 1.3 million fewer if memory is correct.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 25/03/2019 11:27

Even more did not vote remain. 1.3 million fewer if memory is correct

Exactly right

Im not sure thats bluntness point though

Langrish · 25/03/2019 11:29

“PizzaCafe2016

Including people who did not vote makes no sense. Those who don’t vote obviously don’t care which way it goes“

This isn’t the case at all. A bright young woman on BBC news said the other day that she didn’t vote because in 2016 she didn’t feel in possession of enough facts to make an informed decision, so she abstained. Darn sight more intelligent than voting on gut instinct, emotion or other people’s opinions, I’d have thought.
She feels much better informed now and would vote to remain.

Figmentofmyimagination · 25/03/2019 11:35

I suspect many of the people signing the online petition are under 18 as it presents a way of showing what they think. There were certainly lots of young people on the march.

PizzaCafe2016 · 25/03/2019 11:55

I suspect many of the people signing the online petition are under 18 as it presents a way of showing what they think. There were certainly lots of young people on the march

But according to remain voters everyone on the march (all one million of them) represents the will of the entire population (all 67 million of them)

PizzaCafe2016 · 25/03/2019 11:57

A bright young woman on BBC news said the other day that she didn’t vote because in 2016 she didn’t feel in possession of enough facts to make an informed decision, so she abstained

Does that one person reflect the opinion of the other 13 million who chose not to vote?

PizzaCafe2016 · 25/03/2019 12:02

also some who voted leave and have regretted it

How can something that has not yet happened be regretted?

calpop · 25/03/2019 12:05

i signed it and im in my forties. I know many others in theirv30s to 50s who signed it.

Dungeondragon15 · 25/03/2019 12:17

How can something that has not yet happened be regretted?

They regret voting to leave because they realise now that those who promoted it lied and had no strategy for leaving.

Xenia · 25/03/2019 12:20

It is a very difficult positoin as both Labour and the Tories at the last election promised Brexit and there was a big turn on the last referendum and MPs don't agree with the Government and the people have other views too.

Difficult to see how it can turn out. Technically the Government could achieve brexit crash out without a deal on 12 April new date; we would then leave and then MPs could start whatever legal actions they think they may have a right to take. What May cannot do is force through the Withdrawal agreement without MP support. However she can take us out of the EU I believe. (I voted Remain)

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 25/03/2019 12:21

ut according to remain voters everyone on the march (all one million of them) represents the will of the entire population (all 67 million of them)

Well that wouldn't be right obviously

Who said this?

PizzaCafe2016 · 25/03/2019 12:32

They regret voting to leave because they realise now that those who promoted it lied and had no strategy for leaving

Might be going over old ground here, but what are the key lies that you refer to?

If you £350 Million for NHS my reply will be;

There are no Brexit dividends until Brexit happens.

Langrish · 25/03/2019 12:32

“Does that one person reflect the opinion of the other 13 million who chose not to vote?”

No, absolutely not Pizza, but neither is it fair I think to say that 13.1 million didn’t vote because they just didn’t care enough, there may be many reasons. Petsonally, I wouldn’t agree with or understand them but that doesn’t invalidate them.

It’s interesting to hear quite a number of people, voters, on the media of late saying that they lodged a “protest” vote to leave because they were so pissed off with the Cameron Givernment. They undetstood completely that most Government policies had absolutely nothing to do with the EU but they wanted to send a message about how unhappy they were domestically. They saw it purely as tactical voting. Most were horrified when Leave won because they were certain it wouldn’t. The latest I heard was on Saturday’s Any Answrs. He was appalled with how and why he had voted, with hindsight.

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