To think the only viable Brexit option now is to revoke A50

[Bearbehind]

Theresa Mays speech last night was a disgrace and will only have hardened MP’s positions - there’s no way her WA will get voted through, even if another vote is allowed.

There is no appetite for No Deal from anyone who understands its consequences so that just leaves revoke.

TM has been the master of saying one thing and doing the complete opposite.

I’m now convinced she’s going to revoke and resign.

Or is that just wishful thinking?

Come on then Leavers - put at least a million peaceful marchers on the streets to show that you haven't gone away and still want your Brexit.

The problem is, Peregrina, that they don’t have to. I agree with you that I bet they couldn’t. But all they have to do is sit and wait to get what they want.

Why should Leavers put a million protesters on the street? they have allready won, they are not the ones complaining about it. We are leaving the EU. End of.

Peregrina - I am not going to get into numbers marching like how many have the vote in the UK, how many were under age etc its irrelevant. it shows the depth of feeling that there is amongst a sizeable number of people in this country and I can accept that. The binary choice means its in or out. So, I accept that for some people out means losing some things that they want or cherish. For some of us staying in means the same thing.

Betrand - I am most definitely not sitting and waiting. I am lobbying my MP and I am trying to argue against the rise of the ultra right amongst brexiteers who feel increasingly disenfranchised even though this is at a personal cost to myself.

the blame for all of this lies with the politicians. those that voted Article 50 when they had no intention of making it happen. those that called a referendum because they were so cock sure that remain would win and didn't even consider that they wouldn't . those that walk out of meetings with others because they don't like them personally or their politics. shouting at each other on an internet forum, calling people stoopid because they don't agree with you and your "truths" is just horrible.

And I don't blame the EU for our decisions or for all the woes of the world. I and many others don't like the direction of travel so whilst we may not be in Schengen or the Euro at the moment and whilst we may have a rebate and a veto, these things are going to change - well they are if you believe the current EU roadmap consultations on these issues.

whatever happens from now on in around the half the country are going to be very pissed off.

We’re visiting my family in Brussels this weekend. We’re in a restaurant having lunch and there is only one topic of conversation everywhere- Brexit and how badly the UK’s politicians are behaving and the sooner they leave the better. Regardless of what now happens, the UK have an uphill struggle to rebuild their political credibility.

Oh God, it would be awful if Leave put a million people on the streets, no way would Britain First, EDL, NF, and all the rest of the racist far right Brexit loving groups marching be peaceful. In fact I don't think the police would allow it. No way am I saying all Leavers are racist but the percentage of violent racist thugs within the march would be too many to safety police.

Come on then Leavers - put at least a million peaceful marchers on the streets to show that you haven't gone away and still want your Brexit

No need, a tick in the correct box will do nicely.

I wonder why Farage has managed to get 60 people and a dog marching then? It explains partly why he can't be arsed.

See my above post.

Perhaps his sixty men forgot to tick the box then.

The dog is a remaimer, there under duress

I really dont get the angst about trying to downplay the petition and March

Neither one is going to sway the government so why are people (who voted leave one assumes) getting so agitated about them

If people who voted leaver are so very convinced that leave is the best option and we are leaving why not let people who have signed the petition or marched have that

When your neighbours shed burns you don't sit there fanning the flames, you have to put them out before your house burns down

Can’t see the flames from EU being able to get over the English Channel

Can’t see the flames from EU being able to get over the English Channel

That's remarkably short sighted of you

I thought leavers were being encouraged to go on the march as well, so if people were saying it’s was 1 million remainers marching they would be wrong

Come on then Leavers - put at least a million peaceful marchers on the streets to show that you haven't gone away and still want your Brexit

1 Million is not even 2% of the population. Marches and petitions carry no weight at all.

We are leaving the EU. End of.

Typical leaver response full of insightful detail.

Marches and petitions carry no weight at all

They have no power, they should have significant influence.

As part of a functioning democracy citizenship action plays an important role. It is dangerous to dismiss a valid expression of disagreement.

As part of a functioning democracy citizenship action plays an important role. It is dangerous to dismiss a valid expression of disagreement

1 Million who marched in London does not represent the even 2% of the population. 17.4 million who ticked the leave box on the ballot paper carries a lot more weight, particularly when it exceeds the number of those who ticked remain.

I didn't say the march was the equivalent to a referendum. That would be silly.

I said it should be dismissed.

Referendums like petitions are used to influence politicians they have no political power attached.

When politicians dismiss outpourings of public feeling like TB did prior to the Iraq war it can lead to long term political damage and alienation.

Marches play an important role in demonstrating public opinion.

Should NOT be dismissed.

A GE won’t help. Whilst Corbyn is leader of the Labour Party they will not win

Havent read all the thread yet but c'mon Bear you've admitted youre a Tory, you voted for all of this to happen so I should take the word of an actual Tory voter if Corbyn gets in, nah i'll pass

Marches play an important role in demonstrating public opinion

If there were 67 million people in the march I might agree with that comment. However, as there was 1 Million, which is less then 2% of the population, then I don’t agree that the March in London is representative of public opinion.

What’s to say that the 1 Million in the march were not part of the 16.1 Million who voted remain in 2016?

I was a Labour activist up to and including the last GE and I don't think Labour has a chance of winning under Corbyh. He needs to be gone.

I was a Labour activist up to and including the last GE and I don't think Labour has a chance of winning under Corbyh. He needs to be gone.

Im not disagreeing with the sentiment because he's devisive af and not going to the march or not just shutting up about not going to the march was not going to sit well with a lot of Labour members, he's ridden the fence for way way too long, the only way he can redeem his Brexit stance is, if after all the indicative votes he backs what ever the HOC decides and agrees that now its time to give it back to the people or bless his clueless cotton head I wont vote for him when the next inevitable leadership contest happens but when it comes from Bear who voted for all of this shitshow no matter how many threads she starts about Brexit in her faux innocence so I dont take her opinion on Corbyn seriously