To think the only viable Brexit option now is to revoke A50

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Theresa Mays speech last night was a disgrace and will only have hardened MP’s positions - there’s no way her WA will get voted through, even if another vote is allowed.

There is no appetite for No Deal from anyone who understands its consequences so that just leaves revoke.

TM has been the master of saying one thing and doing the complete opposite.

I’m now convinced she’s going to revoke and resign.

Or is that just wishful thinking?

My understanding is that if we vote in the elections we're (subject to a bit more fudging and confusion) remaining

If the wa is agreed we leave on 22 May. If it isn't we have until 12 April to decide on next steps or presumably we crash out on that date.

Crash is the wrong word. Leave with no deal and trade on WTO is more accurate

It is a crash though. You understand if we trade trade on wto we would be the only country in the world only trading on those terms, every other one has supplementary deals. The terms are nothing more than a facilitation to enable us to trade.

Too many people in the uk are already financially struggling without their cost of living suddenly going up by approx ten percent and the overwhelming loss of jobs. It would mean total poverty for many many people. The ones just struggling to get by now.

Crash out is absolutely the right term.

Hopefully the petition will be at 5m on the morning

The depressing thing is that even with the million marchers and the 5 million petition signers, there were still 17 million leave voters. So they’ve still won.

The petition doesn’t mean anything as demonstrated by fact that people from outside the UK are signing up.

The depressing thing is that even with the million marchers and the 5 million petition signers, there were still 17 million leave voters. So they’ve still won

And what’s to say that the one million marchers did not form part of the five million on the petition?

Still a shambles all round no matter which way you voted.

The petition doesn’t mean anything as demonstrated by fact that people from outside the UK are signing up.

The petition committee itself says that 96% of signers are in the UK. It is perfectly reasonable to expect the remaining 4% to be UK citizens living abroad who are equally entitled to sign the petition. My British friend friend lives in France and she signed it.

So they’ve still won.

There aren’t any winners in this shitshow.

Maybe JRM and his cronies, that’s about it.

I really don't think any one is winning in this shit storm if I'm honest.

Even if we did leave with no deal, peoole would have to live with rhe consequences, and those are consequences that often they don't understand or believe, but that doesn't change what they are.

So ultimately everyone looses. Hence why this needs to be sorted. And fast, to ultimately protect those 17 million from themselves.

to ultimately protect those 17 million from themselves.

Patronising much?

Patronising much?

Well if they’re going round agitating for a no deal then they probably do need protecting from themselves tbf.

It's not patronising, if you understand the damage it would cause you would not vote for it. There is simply no way round that fact.

It is perfectly reasonable to expect the remaining 4% to be UK citizens living abroad who are equally entitled to sign the petition

This writer for Forbes (global media/business magazine based in America) signed the petition three days ago as Cliff Piffy and Dingle Wigglesworth to test it out

www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2019/03/21/anti-brexit-petition-in-u-k-parliament-can-be-signed-by-anyone-anywhere/#4510914a6fa5

Cliff Piffy and Dingle Wigglesworth added their names to the list of nearly one million people who signed a late-night petition on the U.K. Parliament’s website asking for the government to scrap Brexit and remain in the European Union.

The only problem with the red-hot petition, which garnered tens of thousands of signatories per minute as early as 2:00 A.M. in London is that both people do not exist.

Both names were signed into the system last night from the East Coast of the United States and not from the U.K. In other words, anyone from any country could have signed this petition.

Someone on the Brexit thread signed their 11 year old up as well.

It’s desperate and pathetic to try to undermine this petition by pointing out that it is possible to make up a name or sign up your 11 year old child. Well duh, obviously. It’s an online petition. But even if 10% of signatories are somehow not real, that still leaves 4.5 million people. All it is is an astounding expression of strength of feeling at a crucial stage of the negotiations.

Email and ip addresses are being checked, fake signatures aren’t being registered. It’s an indicator anyway, nobody’s equating it to a binding vote. Although the fact that so many leavers are getting so agitated about it and yesterday’s march shows how rattled they are.

It’s rather like the pathetic commentators hopping up and down yesterday to suggest there weren’t really a million people on yesterday’s march. They only make themselves sound desperate.

But even if 10% of signatories are somehow not real, that still leaves 4.5 million people. All it is is an astounding expression of strength of feeling at a crucial stage of the negotiations

What’s to say that those who signed the petition did not form part of the 16.1 million who voted remain in 2016? What’s to say the million that marched in London were not part of the 16.1 million who voted remain in 2016?

If leavers have not changed their minds what difference does it make?

Scary I noticed your insightful comments and points have been totally glossed over.

I don't think people understand them. Sometimes things are not on people's radar until it really hits home.

I have read your posts , and I agree and it concerns me.

Protect 17 millions from themselves.

Just had image of a little boat about to be swallowed by the great white shark of the EU... and remainers are trying to row straight into its mouth screaming to opposing rowers... save yourselves, stop rowing....

The difference it makes is that it warns Conservative politicians that if they don’t seek out a middle ground, such as revocation and a period of delay and reflection to work out a way forward based on consensus rather than division (hopefully after a public inquiry into the mistakes that have been made), or some kind of compromise that preserves the free movement of people, they are dead in the water.

George Osborne was right about this yesterday.

But even if 10% of signatories are somehow not real, that still leaves 4.5 million people.

What if 3.7 million signatories are EU citizens living in the UK?