To think this absolutely is homophobic

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Muslim families have successfully argued for Birmingham primary schools to stop the No Outsiders programme

"Morally we do not accept homosexuality as a valid sexual relationship to have. It's not about being homophobic... that's like saying, if you don't believe in Islam, you're Islamophobic."

AIBU to think:

1. This absolutely is a homophobic thing to say
2. There are plenty of places in the world where you would get stoned for stating you didn’t believe in Islam!

Hopefully this link works: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-47613578

Islam and Christianity (plus most other religions) are homophobic and misogynistic and by extension anything to do with them tends to be too

I expect there are reasonable parents who don't think that primary aged children need to be taught about gay relationships or transgender people in primary. You might not share their politics, but it's the right to raise their children as they see fit.

That being said, the curriculum should reflect the prevailing culture of the time and those who disagree should opt out rather than seeking to change it.

I don't think the school in question was a faith school.

Unfortunately this is going to be spun as 'Look at how backward and bigoted Muslims are' despite the strong likelihood that some of the fuckwits joining in these protests are going to be non-Muslims.

How long, do you think, before your actual EDL-ish nasty white thugs suddenly discover a previously-hidden sympathy towards LGBTQ people as a way of being able to dogwhistle even more racism?

The Government should not allow people to opt their DC out of PHSRE any more than they would allow them to opt out of maths or geography. Stupid bigots should simply be ignored.

I caught the interview with a Christian woman on GMB this morning about this. The bile she was spouting was exactly why these things need to be covered in schools to try to come some way to counter the awful attitudes some are being taught at home.

Identity politics imploding

Can’t stand up to homophobia Muslim views for fear of offending Muslims, but by doing that becoming homophobic yourself

@ReanimatedSGB these Muslims are backward and bigoted.

Can't get on board with his comments about Islam. If there was a school that ran a programme teaching religious tolerance and there were people protesting because they didn't believe Islam should be taught as they thought it shouldn't exist it would most certainly be seen as islamaphobic.

@HappyPunky: "That attitude is homophobic but aspects of the programme are inappropriate for the intended age group. It's generally accepted that you answer questions when they come up."

Don't know the programme at all, just a small amount I've found on a quick Google. What's in it that isn't age appropriate? It seems to be about it's accepting normal to be something else to being heterosexual. That a same sex couple isn't a relationship that should raise an eyebrow as it's just acceptable as a different sex couple.

But thinking something is 'morally unacceptable' is not the same as not believing in it. The equivalent of their statement would be thinking that Islam is 'morally unacceptable', ergo, they are being homophobic. Using religion as a smokescreen for homophobia, imho, is pretty cowardly.

Religion is a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act, just as sexual identity is.

I do feel that the No Outsiders programme deliberately chose a school with a significant Muslim population to make a fuss. I’d also be interested in the composition of their governing body; I would put money on it being majority white.

Some of this information is inappropriate for primary aged children, and under new plans the government will not allow parents to take their children out of it. How is a primary school supposed to manage the competing rights of a religious community and gay parents?

Just checked; the academy board of the trust that Parkfield school is part of is all white. This is a massive governance fail.

As I understand it, the CoE doesn’t accept homosexuality as a valid sexual relationship to have.

Don’t vicars have to be ‘non practicing ‘ sexually or something?

Homosexuality is legal. It is a basis for marriage in this country. Within the school curriculum It should be included at the same level and on the same basis as any other relationship .

@NotAnotherJaffaCake equality laws are not compatible with each other.

It's absolutely crazy.

The programme was looked at and deemed fine. What parts were inappropriate?

And how is educating children re a section of our society forced liberalism?

And what has skin colour got to do with it?

Sneaked at the bottom of a Daily Fail article on this was the gem that the programme had been running happily for a few years until a child came home and told their mum that girls could turn into boys. Which is when it blew up.

If true, suspect this isn't about homophobia at all.

If you google enough you can see some of the No Outsiders content on line and there is certainly stuff that a fair number of Mumsnetters would be unhappy with.

I don’t think being a particular religion is remotely comparable to being gay. It’s more like supporting a particular football team - it’s just a choice. You can stop at any time or you could swap and be a different relation if you fancied it. You can’t do that if you’re gay. We shouldn’t give these people any support whatsoever.

I’m a massively GC feminist, I loathe the approach of Stonewall and Mermaids towards trans issues and as the mum of a gender non-conforming son I would be concerned about what he was being told at school if they were involved in any of the teaching. BUT I would probably ask to see what was being taught first, raise any issues with the school, and talk to my son about it.

I would never, ever join these horrible people on the barricades. Never.

Need to elaborate. If posters are saying it’s inappropriate they need to post how.

This is why we absolutely must not have religion in school. It is so worrying

So h see some parallel between being gay and being Muslim...he doesn’t want the children to learn about love and respect for different sexualities.

By logical extrapolation, Does that also mean he does not want children all over the world to learn love and respect for people of other religions?

He is more than just homophobic in tha case.

Also, some of the "approved" materials in schools would make your hair curl. Just because some dimwit in a local authority thought something was a good idea does not mean it should be taught to children.

This is not just about religion. These are broadly academy schools with no religious charter - not even CofE. An agenda is being pushed here by both sides. And to be honest I can't think of things more likely to encourage radicalism amongst British Muslims than being told your beliefs are abhorrent and we refuse to respect them.

How we square that with the absolute right of gay people to have their relationships respected and acknowledged and treated as absolutely valid, I have no idea.

Totally homophobic. This isn’t sex education - the children are quite literally being taught that LGBT people and relationships exist, along side other relationships. That’s it. The comparison this fuckwit is making isn’t valid - ‘if you don’t believe in Islam’. There no ‘believing’ in LGBT people or not, because the gays exist - whether or not bigots think they shouldn’t.
The schools giving In to these religious extremists should be ashamed of themselves.

"I can't think of things more likely to encourage radicalism amongst British Muslims than being told your beliefs are abhorrent and we refuse to respect them."

That's not what anybody's saying though it is? They're saying you can't teach some of them in state schools if they go against equality laws.

It’s not just Muslims. There was a Christian lady on GMB with the same views.

"I wonder how other countries get round this. "

Religion and schooling is a contentious issue in many, many countries. Google the Belgian school 'wars'.

"You get the impression that, say, in the Netherlands everyone is happy and get on well."

Are you serious? There's an anit-muslim far right in the Netherlands. Ever heard of Geert Wilders.