To ask at what age you think men become invisible to women

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And do you think it's because they get fat? Lose their hair? Start wearing frumpy clothes? Get wrinkly and jowly?

Do they feel insecure about this invisibility? Or heave a sigh of relief that Julie in Accounts is no longer making eyes at them?

How will we keep up the charade of equivalence if you say things like that nometal?

As somebody who fits that demographic, it has never occurred to me. It's never come up in conversations with my peers either. If it does bother other men, they keep it to themselves

Well, if we're putting it that way, outside of discussions like this, I've never heard women in thier 50s complain of being 'invisible' either.

*MrPan

No, I don't think women don't appraise men by their looks, sonotdelusional.*

I do, so do most women I know.
We're just more subtle about it, because it's not socially acceptable (or, let's face it, safe) for a woman to look a man up and down, or make a comment about some random guy's appearance. Even though I have seen it happen with large groups of drunk women.
Plus I think a lot of women are told 'don't be shallow' or 'date someone who isn't your usual type' and end up in relationships with men they don't actually fancy.
Men would never be encouraged to sleep with someone they didn't find attractive, because it wouldn't be fair on them since they're sooo visual .

“As somebody who fits that demographic, it has never occurred to me. It's never come up in conversations with my peers either. If it does bother other men, they keep it to themselves.”

Isn’t that the whole point of this thread though? That women are told they’re invisible but it isn’t part of men’s consciousness?

It’s also pointless bringing up Pierce Brosnan or Leonardo DiCaprio. They’re not the average man on the street. Look around you when you’re next out and see how well other men Brosnan’s age have fared next to similarly aged women.

@nervousFTM 😂😂

99% of men of all ages have always been invisible to me. Women letching over and verbally lurching at every man under 30 isn't really a thing.

I wondered why waffly kept running over people on zebra crossings.

Your average bloke in his 40s or 50s, or older, might well also feel that he gets ignored and is treated as a grumpy old man. I really don't think it's just women. It's just society's obsession with youth

I fit that demographic and DO agree with you. I'm not sure if it bothers me but the idea that ALL men, including those who are older, greyer, fatter or balding, somehow think they're 'still God's gift' isn't true. I don't doubt there are some deluded fools who do but, personally, I wouldn't expect a younger woman to give me a second glance.

I find older men more attractive as I get older myself.

I really don't like the 'look' of young men these days. I don't like the skinny jean/tanned and preened look a lot of them (not all obvs) seem to have so would never find them attractive. However, I love to see a well groomed - which seems different to me than perma-tanned and perfectly tattooed - older man in a well cut suit, who obviously looks after himself. Just the right side of rugged. I do find that attractive even if they are not classically handsome.

A friend is in the teaching profession her OH tagged her into a post stating drunkenly what he was going to do to her on Saturday night, sexually explicit post. I messaged her warning her that this might have repercussions, she had not even seen it and made him take it down PDQ.

*I find older men more attractive as I get older myself.

I really don't like the 'look' of young men these days. I don't like the skinny jean/tanned and preened look a lot of them (not all obvs) seem to have so would never find them attractive. *

I think this is it, I call it the "Love Island" look and I'm not a fan. Give me a Josh Brolin any day!

I quite enjoy knowing that women are mentally undressing me with their eyes everywhere I go. Great for the old ego.

Only if you're hot. Otherwise we're mentally putting a burka on you.

Agree G Clooney far too smug to be in any way sexy now. Shame.

I think most men lose it at 50-55 ish.

A lot of men in their 50s who reckon their young female coworkers want in their tighty whities just don’t know they’ve become “work dads”. They’re sweet old fellas whose jokes and anecdotes remind younger women of their dad’s.

Exactly @LuvSmallDogs. Very very few young women are looking lustfully at men in their 50s. Even hot men that age - like say Mark Strong or Keano Reeves - would seem ancient to young women. Let alone your average geezer in his 50s.

What these men don't get is that even if some women say they like 'older men' what they mean is a man perhaps 10 years older than them, still good-looking and without baggage. They're not talking about divorced dads in their 50s. Why would they be?

A burka wouldn't cut it in my case. An inverted skip, or possibly a wall.

People are being very Darwinian on this thread. It's not all about reproduction. Visibility or invisibility of a person is not down to 'boffability', even if we are talking about people of the opposite sex. It's more to do with whether a person's got a twinkle about them (not a euphemism) or not and makes eye contact in a way that says, 'I'm a human being, you're a human being'.