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MIL ridiculous to be upset about this??

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newnamepetal · 13/03/2019 18:23

I've posted about my MIL before under an old name, and this is a bit of a WWYD / AIBU.

For context, DH is 29 and has lived independently since the age of 18 (university) after which he never went home (to a small quiet town) and instead moved to a big city with his job, which is about 2.5 hours away from mil and where we both live. We / he visits mil every few weeks and she comes to us every few months.

Mil has 7 children (!) of which DH is the eldest. The others (nearly all adults, some teens) all live with her (no fil in the picture). She has always had trouble dealing with DH being independent and not being her baby anymore. It's obvious that her identity is all about motherhood and unfortunately she doesn't do anything for herself, have any hobbies, or socialising at all, apart from look after them, cook, clean etc and seems to live through their lives. I think this is really sad but I am looking in from the sidelines and there's not much I can say. DH thinks the same about the situation and does try to encourage her to do other things but nothing changes.

Recently DH was sorting through some life admin and looking at a subscription / membership for a magazine which he first set up years ago when he was about 17 (geeky hobby related). He decided he was no longer interested in it and wanted to cancel the quarterly subscription but when he phoned up it turned out the subscription was in his Mum's name (mil). She must have set it up for him when he was younger because he was under 18. The magazine company refused to speak to him as he was not the named account holder, and so later that day I rang up and pretended to be his Mum to cancel the subscription. All they asked was if I would 'authorise' them to speak to DH, and then DH took the phone and took about 2 minutes to cancel it, no big deal.

DH spoke to mil on the phone last night, to catch up and arrange details for a forthcoming family wedding. He mentioned in passing he had cancelled the subscription, and mil was really sad and upset about it! First of all she said 'why on earth didn't you ask me to phone and cancel instead of petal', the answer to which was that I live in the same house as DH and it made sense! (I don't think mil was worried about the legality of it or anything as it was only a trivial matter and wasn't like we were on the phone to HMRC posing as her or something. It was more about the fact that he didn't come to her for help.) She then went on to say "it's so sad, I've been looking after that subscription for you for over ten years," and he said she was on the verge of tears! AIBU to think WTF?!!?

Next she asked if she could add him on Facebook and Instagram. DH said he doesn't really use them much (which is true). She also asked if she could see his LinkedIn - FFS! - and DH said he would rather not add his Mum as a contact as it's for his work and his his acquaintances are all professional! Anyway, after the phone call she still sent friendship / add requests! DH's sibling tells him mil set up brand new accounts especially to add DH and said she wanted to see his photos.

DH started a new job in January and mil began asking him about his salary. He said something vague like 'it's a nice step up' and she asked for the figure. This is an interesting one as I don't know how people feel about sharing salary details with their parents (?), and I'm sure it depends on how close you are, but in the context of her behaviour it just got my goat a bit and I thought she was out of order to ask for full details!

Finally DH's brother (27) is hoping to move out and has been looking at flats in a town near mil. Mil was upset about this and saying it was 'ridiculous' as how would sibling manage all his laundry and cooking...!

This is in the context of a history of this type of stuff. As you can tell I am ranting and letting off steam!

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MarieIVanArkleStinks · 13/03/2019 19:49

She's far too enmeshed. This isn't healthy either for her or her children. OK so you shouldn't have pretended to be her but you've hardly committed financial fraud, and given her general attitude I can quite well see why you wouldn't want to run any of your personal decisions past her. Her inquisitiveness over her son's salary is also the kind of imposition that would make me want to back away from any form of 'discussion' with her. It all sounds very controlling.

Adding her to Facebook is far from unusual, although I can see your DH's point about Linked-In. I'd be inclined to stop over-sharing information with her, then she'll have less leverage over trying to micro-manage the finer details of your lives. Be non-committal about what you do share if she starts to question you.

You're quite hard on her, but on the other hand, this kind of behaviour from the kind of parent Susan Forward calls the 'engulfers' can really wear a person down over time. Also, their children are less resistant to it as they've been conditioned to accept it.

No, I don't think YAB (wholly) U.

C8H10N4O2 · 13/03/2019 19:49

t was clear it was being talked about in a family not business sense. Stop choosing to be offended

None of the quotes I cited talk about an individual the all talk generically in disparaging terms about parents on Linkedin.

BlackPrism · 13/03/2019 19:49

Ah just seen she didn't pay, scratch the last bit.

newnamepetal · 13/03/2019 19:49

Why not invite her out for a meal or something so you can get to know one another better.

Wasn't intending on drip feeding, but I have definitely done all of this and more, and continue to do so. She has been for dinner / lunch quite a few times, we have had her round, taken her out to lunch, been for spa treatments etc etc and this year we are taking her on a short break together.

I think she likes me, as far as I can tell, and I like her very much. We get on well in the moment, over a cuppa or whatever. I just find the whole thing sad and DH and I both find it suffocating, and for me at times it is frustrating being married and feeling like she is in some ways still trying to be in control of DH instead of seeing him as an adult.

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BertrandRussell · 13/03/2019 19:49

Does any of this actually affect you at all, OP?

Isth · 13/03/2019 19:50

I do get that but, again, does it really matter? She’s unlikely to change.

ThreeBagsFullofWool · 13/03/2019 19:51

Are you sure it's not less feeling sad for her and more feeling a quiet terror that if she doesn't get any hobbies by the time you and your husband have kids that she'll latch on to them like a leech and pester for constant visits? Grin

I'm just not getting a genuine sad feeling off your posts more like a daily mail sad face kind of sad if any at all. But hey it is the internet. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Frenchmontana · 13/03/2019 19:52

Why do find it suffocating?

She has a bit over whinge or makes a comment about her other son, the one you arent with......so what? You finish the call and forget it.

It's only impacting you because dh is getting worked about it. Why is he?

She is how she is and is unlikely to change. So end the phone call and forget it.

newnamepetal · 13/03/2019 19:53

You mention he only found out he way paying for his subscription now, how on earth didn't he notice in what, 12 years?

A polite correction: That's not what I said. I said DH paid for it from the age of 18 onwards via standing order and as it was automatic he never had a reason to check whose name the account was in until now.

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thebeesknees123 · 13/03/2019 19:54

There's probably more to this than the original post. I'd have a read of Toxic Inlaws by Susan Forward. See if you recognise her in the book and follow some.of the strategies

newnamepetal · 13/03/2019 19:55

And you told her when you didnt have to.I think you like the drama

In fact it wasn't me that told her but DH in casual conversation,- I don't know what he brought it up really - and clearly it would have been better if he had not said anything.

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Alsohuman · 13/03/2019 19:57

She doesn’t sound remotely toxic to me.

BertrandRussell · 13/03/2019 19:57

“There's probably more to this than the original post. I'd have a read of Toxic Inlaws by Susan Forward. See if you recognise her in the book and follow some.of the strategies”
Toxicity works two ways.

newnamepetal · 13/03/2019 19:58

Why do find it suffocating?

Answer:
There's probably more to this than the original post.

Yes absolutely. Some people won't understand and that's fine. But that is how it feels. And there has been a history. This post wasn't about all that, it was mainly me venting.

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newnamepetal · 13/03/2019 20:00

Toxicity works two ways.

Wow BertrandRussell that is actually unkind and quite below the belt.

Thanks @thebeesknees123 for the tip

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Frenchmontana · 13/03/2019 20:01

OP you ignored the rest of my post.

It's your dh who let's this impact both your lives. If he just finished the call, forgot it and then carries on with whatever he was doing there would be no impact on you

Couchpotato3 · 13/03/2019 20:01

It sounds as though you and DH are on the same page, which is the main thing. I would have done the same thing about the subscription (but perhaps not mentioned it to MIL as it was bound to cause an upset, given her history). You may feel her life is a bit sad, but it's what she has chosen and YABU to judge her for it. Be glad that your DH has 'escaped' and perhaps be a little bit more understanding of her if you can? It is a bit cheeky to ask anyone about their salary. On the other hand, as a Mum, I'm always dying to know what my kids are earning (only so that I can feel super proud of them - I would never discuss it with anyone else).

BlackPrism · 13/03/2019 20:02

Yeah, sorry OP I misread about the money bit.

Idk, if you like her it sounds like you're just a bit tired by it and worries about her in future and needed a rant.

Have a Gin and remember you've got years before that shit hits the fan

pictish · 13/03/2019 20:02

Yes...taking it back to basics...why does any of this bother you OP?
None of it affects you...it’s all in your dh’s court. You don’t have to do anything about any of this stuff. Of course you can have an opinion but that opinion is not a requirement. None of it impacts on you whatever.
Why does it wind you up?

thebeesknees123 · 13/03/2019 20:04

It may work.both ways but it's probably not helpful to assign blame. There is a bit about suffocating inlaws in the book, too. It is v useful on how.to set boundaries and use non defensive language

Tunnockswafer · 13/03/2019 20:04

Look many “normal” families have no problems with mentioning how much they earn, befriending family on Facebook, and not impersonating each other. That’s not how you feel Op but that doesn’t necessarily mean your mil is in the wrong.

RLABC · 13/03/2019 20:04

OP you feel how you feel. No-one can deny that right. I understand what you are getting at - MIL seems to have no life outside of her offspring and that is a shame because eventually she will be left alone once all her chicks have flown the nest. Then what? For her? Living through her potential grandchildren?

BertrandRussell · 13/03/2019 20:06

“Wow BertrandRussell that is actually unkind and quite below the belt.”
Is it? It was actually directed at the person who said that your MIL was toxic when there is no evidence that she is anything but a woman who loves her children. A bit needy, possibly but just human.

AhNowTed · 13/03/2019 20:06

OP you sound quite territorial about your DH.

I honestly can't see why you care or why it bothers you.

Leave him to have his own relationship with his mum. Inwardly roll your eyes if you must, but you're making an issue over nothing and seem overly invested in a relationship that has zero to do with you.

newnamepetal · 13/03/2019 20:06

@FrenchMontana you are absolutely right of course. I am sure that much of my stress (though perhaps not all) comes from seeing him feeling claustrophobic and frustrated after being with her. in life in general he is very calm and collected and generally other people's behaviour doesn't phase him, but - as with all parents I guess - his mum really pushes his buttons and it's horrible to see. It is about him managing this.

Thanks @BlackPrism, sounds like a good idea!

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