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Tonight’s Brexit Vote, they don’t want a referendum?

272 replies

Thadeus · 12/03/2019 19:44

Am I the only one surprised to hear that when it was put that there could be a second referendum the shouts of no overwhelmingly outweighed the yes’?

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ListenLinda · 12/03/2019 20:30

Oh here we go again, all leave voters are uneducated and stupid. Brexit Bingo has begun Hmm

FriendOrFaux · 12/03/2019 20:33

Titania McGrath on Twitter spells out exactly what doom awaits us when we leave the EU. Not for those of a sensitive disposition. Grin

chillpizza · 12/03/2019 20:45

Remain voters will once again sit at home sure they will win this time around.

Leavers will make damn sure they get to the polling station to make sure they are not ignored.

Some remainers will protest vote leave.

Local mps don’t want the hassle of it they want the wages without the work.

dragonflyinn10 · 12/03/2019 20:49

I'm embarrassed I will tell you for why I literally now have no idea what I voted for even if we have a second referendum what would it actually mean to us do any of us know what deal has tm put through ??

IceRebel · 12/03/2019 20:56

Perhaps this time, the vote can actually explain what the public who vote leave are voting for.

If this whole debacle has shown us anything, it's that you can't just have a box marked leave. There needs to be something they're actually agreeing to.

Boobiliboobiliboo · 12/03/2019 21:00

Oh here we go again, all leave voters are uneducated and stupid.

It’s been over 2.5 years. I’m yet to see any evidence to the contrary and quite a lot to support.

dragonflyinn10 · 12/03/2019 21:03

@IceRebel and explain what stay means also to everyone

NiteFlights · 12/03/2019 21:03

Quite. I don’t see much evidence of leave voters’ intelligence and good judgment, on these threads or in general.

Bluntness100 · 12/03/2019 21:13

Honestly you can't tell what they want based on who makes the most noise. It can be very misleading.

For me, I think I have come to the conclusion that there is no deal that can be agreed that would get a majority, there simply isn't. The Eu can't give us better terms or as good terms as we have now, the idea is daft. So it means anything agreed by default is worse than we have now.

And parliament won't unite on worse and agree it. So ultimately after a lot of pain, a lot more money, and a lot more time, I think we will revoke article fifty. And quite frankly we should never have went there in the first place, without understanding exactly what it would look like.

SneakyGremlins · 12/03/2019 21:16

I'm praying you're right, @Bluntness100

IceRebel · 12/03/2019 21:17

and explain what stay means also to everyone

Remain is the status quo, it shouldn't need explaining. Although I would hope after all this time people are slightly more educated on the EU, and how it affects their life.

Bluntness100 · 12/03/2019 21:26

Sneaky, I think we will go through a bit of pain first.

The government motion for tomorrow if very very sneaky and will be amended. As one of the MPs in the house said after the vote, even dogs in the street know no deal will be rejected.

But the government motion says basically "I reject leaving with no deal, but accept we will unless a deal is agreed". And then they move to extension vote on Thursday.

Which means they want to keep the deal on thr table and no deal on thr table,

So varying MPs are tabling amendments to it now. Because the wording is not what was promised to them to vote on. So her motion will likely be rejected and an amendment simply saying we reject to leave with no deal accepted.

And then it's up to thr eu as to what they do. When we go for an extension of as yet umdetermined length.

Right now we are not in the position of wishing to revoke but ultimately it may be the only way. Revoke it and work the details, then invoke it again at a later stage.

The whole thing is utterly depressing and a shit show. I really can't believe we have done this to ourselves.

Desperateforspring · 12/03/2019 21:32

Marching is hard work 😂😂😂😂☺️

Hilarious.

Just imagining people bussed in to march for 20 mins... back on bus to march 10 mins to the end

Imissgmichael · 12/03/2019 21:32

Boob I’ve passed exams at post first degree level on the EU. Worked closely within the EU legal framework. Im very highly educated. Voted out.

You’re entitled to your opinion but please stop being so insulting, it’s not necessary and makes you look like a close minded idiot. Not a good look. Sorry your daughters failing though, but stop projecting because of it.

sweeneytoddsrazor · 12/03/2019 21:35

Personally I think Baldrick had better plans than any of our MPs.

noodlenosefraggle · 12/03/2019 21:38

I think if there is another referendum, there would have to be a decisive victory to put this to bed. I fear either remain will squea k a win and the acrimony will continue, or leave will win again.

Redcrayons · 12/03/2019 21:39

It was less legally binding than the X factor vote FFS Grin there’s not a lot to laugh about with Brexit but this made me smile.

I can’t believe how close to the wire it all is. How have we even got time for another referendum?

RandomlyChosenName · 12/03/2019 21:48

But how could we have another referendum- what would the question be?

velocitykate · 12/03/2019 21:49

I hope bluntness is right, but I agree that there will never be a deal that will get a majority in Parliament. I also think that the Irish border will be a problem with any deal that anyone may come up with, unless we remain in the customs union and I can't believe DC didn't think of that before he called the referendum in the first place - well, he didn't think of anything did he? except for Union within the Tory party, which lets face it is more divided now than it ever has been.

He didn't think of the Irish border or what a Brexit deal might look like because he never believed for one minute that the British public would vote to leave did he? Smug, over privileged Twat that he is.

Well done DC for turning the UK into a laughing stock

LaurieMarlow · 12/03/2019 22:02

i think there is the worry there will be unrest if there is another referendum

There will be civil unrest if we go out with no deal. And I bet it won’t just be remainers who revolt. Angry

PandaSky · 12/03/2019 22:09

*I don't understand why people say it's undemocratic to have another referendum nearly 3 years after the result.

We normally have a general election every 4-5 years, so obviously we don't work on the basis that it's undemocratic to check that everyone in the country still wants the same people in power as they did last time we asked. And Theresa May called a general election just two years after we'd had one. And if she'd lost the confidence vote a few months ago there'd have been another general election taking place another 2 years after the last one. I'm sorry, but this REFERENDUM MUST NEVER BE REVISITED stuff is just rubbish.*

How ridiculous. So you're suggesting we just have a referendum on being in the EU every 3-4 years, just to check everyone is still happy with the latest result? I'm guessing not. So when do we stop? Do we keep going until remainers get their remain vote? Hardly democratic is it.

scaryteacher · 12/03/2019 22:11

Boobiliboobiliboo
No matter how much constituents say they want to be shot in the face, MPs aren’t duty bound to vote for it.

No they are not, but then they can't expect to be re-elected either when they have blatantly and wilfully disregarded what a majority of those who bothered to vote, voted for.

BloggersNet · 12/03/2019 22:18

I really though her deal would go through. But I've been wrong on many things when it comes to brexit.

My guess is that now we will get a short extension. But obviously I will be wrong.

RandomlyChosenName · 12/03/2019 22:22

remain is the status quo

It's not though. The EU wants evolve to have closer union. A vote for remaining was never just a vote for how things are (were).

LaurieMarlow · 12/03/2019 22:23

There is no appetite in the commons for no deal. Thank fuck.

Because MPs know that those saying they want it have no fucking clue what it would entail.