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to not understand why we haven't just sacked off Brexit?

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HeyNannyNanny · 12/03/2019 14:29

Disclaimer: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I know this has been done to death so feel free to ignore if you're sick to the back teeth of Brexit shite. Please don't pelt me with buns and gin bottles for bringing it up. No snapping. No farting.

I don't live in the UK at the moment (though I'm British) so may well have a very skewed perception of the whole thing, but it seems that Brexit is hated by a shocking number of people, has managed to go spectacularly tits up before its even happened and whispers was arguably not wanted by the majority of the population anyway.

Every time I look at the news, there's further arm waving, frothing and photos of Theresa May looking like she's hoping for the ground to swallow her up, stories of the MPs rejecting this, the EU rejecting that, Nigel Farage doing something stupid, Boris Johnson nowhere to be seen etc etc.

But there doesn't seem to be an official suggestion that we just...don't do it.

Have I missed something? Is there some reason why the Government is battling on ahead with such a shit show, when there is a (seemingly) perfectly reasonable and easy alternative right there?

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TabbyMumz · 12/03/2019 18:23

The argument about drug availability seems to be different to people calling the NHS failing. I'm still not clear why people think Brexit has caused this?

We know dear. It's not our fault you don't understand.

You can't answer that can you? You can only be nasty?

TabbyMumz · 12/03/2019 18:24

There is an awful lot not said anything at all, but they don't make it to the news

Aye Tabby, because they're not real. 🙄

You really believe that don't you?

10IAR · 12/03/2019 18:24

I have answered it, many times.

Most of us have. Like I said, it's not our fault you don't understand.

Without drugs, and staff and with rising prices the NHS cannot function. At all.

Hence, failing.

TabbyMumz · 12/03/2019 18:27

Why does everyone think the NHS is folding?

Because many senior NHS employees have voiced concerns about lack of availablity of drugs, of treatments and of staff.

And many have not.

Alsohuman · 12/03/2019 18:27

They haven’t argued with those who have.

Helmetbymidnight · 12/03/2019 18:31

tabbys whole arguement is 'everything will be fine.'

show her a care professional who is deeply worried, 'shes a remainer'

tell her about all the professional medical bodies who are deeply, frighteningly concerned- inc doctors, radiologists, nurses, midwives, but tabby knows that there is a actually (secret) medical body who has not said anything.

maybe your arguements sound very clear and sensible to other brexiteers, tabby, but you will come across as ridiculous to most people.

TabbyMumz · 12/03/2019 18:31

Without drugs, and staff and with rising prices the NHS cannot function. At all.

Hence, failing.

But you are talking about a situation that hasn't happened. We currently have drugs and staff....so not failing currently?. We are not there yet. What you are saying is in your view, it will be failing....possibly. I was talking about people implying it is failing now...and blaming brexit....and I was asking why they think that as it hasn't happened yet.

PerfumeandOranges · 12/03/2019 18:34

But if a 16 year old, why not a 14 year old? If a 14 year old, why not a 13 year old?

A plebiscite vote still has to have a cut off point and, in this case, it was 18.

Frankly, after each GE, the point about the legal age for voting rarely comes up, so a cynic might be inclined to think that it has only done this time because it's believed that younger people would vote to remain.

They may-although I haven't done a survey and nor, I suspect have you. However, what we do know is that a fair amount of young people who were eligible to vote, didn't care enough to do so.

However, older voters did but we now have an insidious creeping voicing of the thought that older people should not have been allowed to vote simply because they are older! This appalling logic would apply equally well to terminally ill people too.

18 seems a good cut off point to me. It is only a shame that may 18 year olds didn't bother to use it.

I suggest that anyone who doesn't have a good reason for not voting-even if that vote was a spoiled paper-should be banned from voting in the next election.

TabbyMumz · 12/03/2019 18:35

Helmet....the media loves to wind people up...to make a dramatic storyline. They are not going to look for those medical professionals who actually aren't worried, or who think we might be fine ...They are going to show those people who state the opposite, to make a storyline. I'm in the "we totally don't know yet" camp.

Echobelly · 12/03/2019 18:36

Yes, I don't really know either. The trouble is that by making it a referendum and not declaring properly whether its status was advisory or not, and not declaring a minimum vote % to leave (to avoid the situation we had of a close result), going back from it looks like a terrible betrayal, and it's easy for parts of the media to portray it as such. If the gov had decided on its own to leave Europe, it would have U-turned very quickly, but unfortunately 'Will Of The People' can now be invoked.

I think the only honourable way out would be to promise and give massive, massive investment in all those parts of the country that have been left behind for decades, to address their real problems (which on a macro scale have nothing to do with membership of the EU) and say that it's a better use of money than the costs of leaving Europe and will genuinely help.

But... 'Voice of the People' so we have to go through with it.

As a Remainer, I think it's an awful idea, though I don't think everything will be quite as awful in effect as some people are scaremongering - we'll still be able to go on holiday, work and study abroad (just these two will be slightly more faff to set up), we'll remain in line with EU law on the whole. But neither can I see any possible advantage of leaving. As a relatively wealthy Londoner (the Metropolitan Elite), my family and I will probably be fine - it's everyone else I'm worried about.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 12/03/2019 18:36

is only a shame that may 18 year olds didn't bother to use it.

They voted in similar numbers to the older voters

Its a myth that the young as a whole didnt bother

Or a lie

Myth or lie...doesn't really matter which one

Helmetbymidnight · 12/03/2019 18:38

I'm in the "we totally don't know yet" camp

you said your job, your home, your medical supplies will all be fine.

thats not 'the dont know camp.'

TabbyMumz · 12/03/2019 18:39

maybe your arguements sound very clear and sensible to other brexiteers, tabby, but you will come across as ridiculous to most people.

You seem to think remembers are "most people?". Look, I realise remainers will not agree....that is why we had a vote.

Helmetbymidnight · 12/03/2019 18:40

the media loves to wind people up...to make a dramatic storyline. They are not going to look for those medical professionals who actually aren't worried, or who think we might be fine ...They are going to show those people who state the opposite, to make a storyline.

we know all the major medical bodies are against a hard brexit- dont pretend there are medical bodies who 'just havent been asked'. again thats utterbollocks.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 12/03/2019 18:40

he results found that 64% of those young people who were registered did vote, rising to 65% among 25-to-39-year-olds and 66% among those aged between 40 and 54. It increased to 74% among the 55-to-64 age group and 90% for those aged 65 and over

TabbyMumz · 12/03/2019 18:43

Yes it is Helmet. I do believe my home, job and medical supplies will be fine. And I am in the we don't know yet camp...in that despite scaremongerers winding people up, we might actually be fine.

Helmetbymidnight · 12/03/2019 18:46

oh i see 'we will be fine' has gone to 'we might be fine.'

and who wouldnt want to vote for something where the only benefit they can think of is 'we might be fine'?

genius. Hmm

TabbyMumz · 12/03/2019 18:47

"We know all the major medical bodies are against a hard brexit"......no we don't.

Alsohuman · 12/03/2019 18:48

Actually we do because that’s what they’ve said.

goldengummybear · 12/03/2019 18:49

Helmet....the media loves to wind people up...to make a dramatic storyline.
Do you follow the news? There's a regular churn of Trump declares something as Fake News/Trump makes outrageous statement then Media proves he's talking bollocks.

Our press loves taking people down publicly. If there was a chance to humiliate a politician or other major institution over bullshit figures they'd be all over that story.

goldengummybear · 12/03/2019 18:49

Helmet....the media loves to wind people up...to make a dramatic storyline.

Who isn't?

Helmetbymidnight · 12/03/2019 18:50

i remember when brexiteers used to say how great it would be!

now all theyve got is 'it might be fine.'

👏

TabbyMumz · 12/03/2019 18:52

Helmet.....i think we will be fine. Thats my view. You cant change it. You can insult as much as you like it just makes you look silly. I will still keep my view. In "We might actually be fine" comment, my emphasis was on actually, you didn't pick up my sarcasm.

Tolleshunt · 12/03/2019 18:55

Isn't 'belief' a wonderful thing?!

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 12/03/2019 18:55

will still keep my view. In "We might actually be fine" comment, my emphasis was on actually, you didn't pick up my sarcasm

You should do that italics thing...then it would've been emphasised

Ive no idea how to do it...i just bold or capitalise what i want emphasised

But i think its posher to do it in italics

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