to not understand why we haven't just sacked off Brexit?

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Disclaimer: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I know this has been done to death so feel free to ignore if you're sick to the back teeth of Brexit shite. Please don't pelt me with buns and gin bottles for bringing it up. No snapping. No farting.

I don't live in the UK at the moment (though I'm British) so may well have a very skewed perception of the whole thing, but it seems that Brexit is hated by a shocking number of people, has managed to go spectacularly tits up before its even happened and whispers was arguably not wanted by the majority of the population anyway.

Every time I look at the news, there's further arm waving, frothing and photos of Theresa May looking like she's hoping for the ground to swallow her up, stories of the MPs rejecting this, the EU rejecting that, Nigel Farage doing something stupid, Boris Johnson nowhere to be seen etc etc.

But there doesn't seem to be an official suggestion that we just...don't do it.

Have I missed something? Is there some reason why the Government is battling on ahead with such a shit show, when there is a (seemingly) perfectly reasonable and easy alternative right there?

The Tory party don’t have the courage to admit that what was promised by the Leave campaign, or what the Leave campaign left up to voters imaginations is undeliverable.

There’s all this bleating about honouring the vote, but no one’s addressed why such an ill thought through, misleading, downright dishonest process should be honoured.

They will drive the country off a cliff before admitting that Cameron utterly fucked up.

Instead of excusing your post, why not just read the 72 billion threads in the BREXIT topic. It’s there for a reason.

Leaving the EU is going to have a major impact on my dp's work. The uncertainty about what's going to happen is really stressful for me and him. This must be the case with so many businesses across the UK. I'm flabbergasted that the government hasn't got the guts to pull the plug, or at the very least have a rethink.

'End of'
For fuck sake please stop saying 'end of'. 'End of' does not apply when it's about something so important as this. 'End of' is telling your whining kid they're not having a mobile phone til they're 11, just like their brothers before them. It's time for a 2nd Referendum now we have seen what a clusterfuck it's going to be. Or and END TO Article 50.

Because the majority of those who voted, voted Leave. I'm assuming if the result had been a remain win you wouldn't be quite so confused and would fully expect that we would remain. It's no different, we voted Leave and we expect to Leave. It's not rocket science is it.

Because binning it off would mean admitting the long list of things they have done wrong, including:

• not exploring the various option (in particular with regard to the Irish border) BEFORE the referendum

• not having a plan for what leaving the EU would look like (Norway? North Korea? Somewhere in between?) BEFORE the referendum so people knew what they were voting for

• setting red lines that were almost completely contradictory and refusing to budge from that position

• triggering Article 50 without a plan in place

• completely ignoring the views of everyone except Tory MPs, the DUP and people who might be tempted to vote UKIP

• holding a snap general election which ended up in the Tories losing their majority and being beholden to the DUP

• still refusing to listen to the views of anyone else despite having lost their majority

• cancelling the "meaningful vote" and then bringing the same fucking withdrawal agreement back to parliament multiple times with essentially no changes and expecting a different result

[Suddenly notices that everyone who has been bought an orange is being systematically shot after the till]

Remainer facepalm logic

Because the majority of those who voted, voted Leave. I'm assuming if the result had been a remain win you wouldn't be quite so confused and would fully expect that we would remain. It's no different, we voted Leave and we expect to Leave. It's not rocket science is it.

Well apparently it is.

At least we know how to remain. We still haven't come up with a workable plan for how to leave, despite having focused on little else for the last two and a half years.

She's prioritizing party over country. If she cancels Brexit, she risks Brexiteers forming a new party and splitting the Conservatives. This is the same reason that Cameron called the referendum. He was expecting the people to vote remain so he could shut up people like Farage.

Most Remainers I know didn't actually vote

It's been 2 years since the referendum... so that's approximately 1.3 million voters who have now become old enough to vote.

That in itself should be a reason for a 2nd referendum.
Not to mention the propaganda.

@IncrediblySadToo Instead of slamming me for trying to talk about incredibly essential politics on a broader forum that isn't hidden away, why don't you just ignore my thread and move on?
My apology was to highlight that I knew it had been discussed, and to encourage people to move on rather that waste their time should they not wish to discuss it.

Instead of excusing your post, why not just read the 72 billion threads in the BREXIT topic. It’s there for a reason.

This has already been dealt with by MN. It's fine to post in AIBU on Brexit if the OP feels it appropriate.

Because the majority of those who voted, voted Leave. I'm assuming if the result had been a remain win you wouldn't be quite so confused and would fully expect that we would remain. It's no different, we voted Leave and we expect to Leave. It's not rocket science is it.

You always pop up on these threads @SilverySurfer, but you never say how the country will realistically benefit from Brexit, only repeat Leaver Catchphrases.
Nonetheless I'll bite...

Had the majority vote been remain, and then substantial information and evidence came to light to say that this choice would highly like ruin the country, or at least cause significant problems for the majority of the population - i'd be first in line calling for a revote.

More information has come to light, the majority of "facts" about the positives of leaving the EU have been revealed as lies.

It's not rocket science.

It’s the glibness of Leavers that astonishes me. It’s patently clear that brexit is a shite idea, yet they still claim to be excited and looking forward to it. I’ve tried to understand their views, but they don’t make sense. There doesn’t seem to be anything worth getting excited about.

Night Out- yep, could get excited over that.

a big glass of wine- again, yes. Bring on the mirth.

a lie-in. Absolutely - something worth getting excited about.

leaving the customs union and all our trade deals.

Nope, just don’t get it.

The only (thankfully very few) people I know of who have admitted they voted to leave are either old, a bit thick, or racist. Or all three. Definitely a combination of two. I'm serious. Some are even closely related to me, which has been fun.

What people voted for is not what is actually being delivered. We were told that leaving would be 'the easiest deal in history' and of course 'they need us more than we need them'. It was implied that the UK held all the cards and that we could pick and choose to keep all the good bits of E.U. membership without any of the responsibilities of being a member state. NI was nothing to worry about apparently.

What we now know for a fact is that all of this is untrue. Over two years of negotiations later and we cannot even agree on a deal which is only the framework for another two years of negotiations before we actually leave.

We have the most incompetent, inept government coupled with the worst opposition in history. Any sensible government would have called this off months ago.

I just don't fucking know any more.

@goldengummybear Ok, so its a bit more political than some bigwigs gain money?

Other than losing face, it doesn't seem like there is much to lose by backing out?

The referendum is advisory so there's no point in a second referendum. It's a waste of money imo and smacks of desperation to get the "right" result. Turn out amongst young people is always poor and there was more than 1.3 million votes between the 2 sides last time. (I'm a Remainer)

@BackInTime has put it far more eloquently and fairly than I have.

The UK voted on a set of information which has since been disproved.
Subsequently, to NOT allow a second vote on that would be undemocratic, surely?

Because the Tories care more about keeping their party together than they do about what's best for the country?

Labours been really bad in opposition - not holding the government to account like they are supposed to?

People like Dyson and Mogg will make money but May is doggedly going down this route without considering softer options like a Norway solution because of her party.

The problem is that what people voted for and what's actually taking place are two totally different things.

Don't forget that it only passed by a 2% margin and a lot of the information at the times was later found to be lies or just wrong.

Listening to pmq and TM has just said that if we ask to extend then the EU have the power to not only set the date themselves but also can force another referendum. If this is the case then to me maybe the extension is the way to go!

Honestly people respond to the likes of Silverysurfer or walkingdeadfangirl.

They turn up on all these threads with nothing to add other than “we voted to leave, neener neener”. Which they are entitled to do. But there is no advantage in conversing.