to not understand why we haven't just sacked off Brexit?

[HeyNannyNanny]

Disclaimer: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I know this has been done to death so feel free to ignore if you're sick to the back teeth of Brexit shite. Please don't pelt me with buns and gin bottles for bringing it up. No snapping. No farting.

I don't live in the UK at the moment (though I'm British) so may well have a very skewed perception of the whole thing, but it seems that Brexit is hated by a shocking number of people, has managed to go spectacularly tits up before its even happened and whispers was arguably not wanted by the majority of the population anyway.

Every time I look at the news, there's further arm waving, frothing and photos of Theresa May looking like she's hoping for the ground to swallow her up, stories of the MPs rejecting this, the EU rejecting that, Nigel Farage doing something stupid, Boris Johnson nowhere to be seen etc etc.

But there doesn't seem to be an official suggestion that we just...don't do it.

Have I missed something? Is there some reason why the Government is battling on ahead with such a shit show, when there is a (seemingly) perfectly reasonable and easy alternative right there?

They have voiced concern, that doesn't mean what they say is fact.

It’s the Royal College ofRadiologists that have ‘voiced concern’ as you put it. That’s not some individals, that’s the governing body.

They’re telling medical staff to ‘lighten their load’ following departure. You know what that means right? That’s cancers not being diagnosed and not being treated.

Do you think you know better than them? Maybe you know of some different isotopes that they’ve never heard of? Please enlighten us.

They have voiced concern, that doesn't mean what they say is fact. There are also probably many others thinking we will be fine.

yeah yeah, all medical bodies inc doctors, nurses, midwives and radiographers have been clear: a no deal brexit will be a disaster.

but you know what, the mn brexiteers have been so coherent and articulate with their arguements about the benefits that brexit is going to bring that im not worried anymore - silly surgeons what do they know?

I have no idea! It’s an absolute shit shower.

Also, Scotland as a nation voted to remain. But has been completely frozen out of any negotiations and has, in fact, been warned of a "temporary" power grab by Westminster post Brexit.

I agree about the overwhelming desire to alienate remainers. I suppose it fits in with the left behind feeling - many feel like they are wielding power and influence for the first time, giving the so called metropolitan elites or chattering classes a metaphorical kick in the face.

Songsofexperience.....we've already had a vote where remainers and leavers had an equal voice?

The argument about drug availability seems to be different to people calling the NHS failing. I'm still not clear why people think Brexit has caused this?

We know dear. It's not our fault you don't understand.

A hospice in the Highlands? Goodness me. She is probably a remainer

wow.

yeah yeah, all medical bodies inc doctors, nurses, midwives and radiographers have been clear: a no deal brexit will be a disaster.
That's not true. Not all. Some. A lot of others haven't said or declared anything at

TabbyMumz still waiting for the ones who think Brexit is a good idea, you were adamant they had said so.

Presumably you can Google?

OP May’s problem is that Brexit is strongly supported by her core conservative vote, so she can’t let it go. Human geographer Danny Dorling explains it really well in this blog www.dannydorling.org/?p=7164

Labour are just as bad really because although most of their supporters do not want brexit, the Labour Party want to see a big Conservative brexit implosion so that they can ride in on white chargers and save the day, and consign the Conservative party to oblivion for evermore.

The political stakes are so high that those responsible have simply forgotten their responsibility to the country.

It’s truly outrageous really.

There are a few sane voices who may emerge well eg Yvette Cooper is having a ‘good Brexit’.

There has to be a cut off point for the age of voting. It is beyond flabby thinking to declare otherwise.

If that were to be the case, no election or referendum anywhere would be valid, as someone would always point out that those just below the age of voting when it was held would vote otherwise. Where would it end: there has to be a cut off point.

It seems that many are resentful of the older vote, as they perceive it returned a vote they did not like.

It does have a rather frightening undertone-that if one is older, one should not be allowed to vote, not be allowed a say in the future as one won't be around.

Is this thinking applied to those who were terminally ill at the time of voting? They had no future, so it seems many would prefer they didn't vote-especially if that vote was perceived to be the wrong one.

There is a legal for for voting. It is 18.If people wanted 16 year olds to vote on this issue, then why not someone who is 15 and 11 months? A very silly, situation would occur.

oh right, its only the radiographers, the doctors, the nurses, the midwives, and theyre all probably remainers anyway.

A hospice in the Highlands? Goodness me. She is probably a remainer

such a typical brexiteer comment.

You don't even live here, it's none of your business

sonlypuppyfat who doesn't?

What a fucking insensitive disgusting comment TabbyMumz

so is that. urgh.

I find it very telling that people being denied dignity, peace and a painless death doesn't affect some people.

Because to me it is unthinkable, that even one person be denied the end of life care everyone deserves. Especially as the result of playground fucking politics.

tabby says it'll be fine, so...chillax hospice lady.

i would say im intrigued by who sonlypuppyfat is talking about, but put it this way, sonlypuppyfat is a 'typical' brexiteer...

yeah yeah, all medical bodies inc doctors, nurses, midwives and radiographers have been clear: a no deal brexit will be a disaster.

Ere no, they haven't. Some have, not all. There is an awful lot not said anything at all, but they don't make it to the news.

Well, it's all going as well as expected. Is TM going to get the elbow tonight? If so, who on earth would replace her? I would never have believed that so many people could be so barely competent. I absolutely despair. Where are the grown ups?

perfume Representative democracy is supposed to work so that responsible representatives in full knowledge of the facts (MPs) take decisions on behalf of current constituents and also on behalf of those too young to vote or unborn (I realise this seems unlikely, especially the Conservative vote, but at least it’s the theory).

If you have a plebiscite by contrast, you should include the widest number of affected citizens - including 16 year olds, as in the Scottish example, and EU citizens living in the UK. You may have concerns about the ‘life experience’ etc if younger participants, but you manage this by treating the referendum as advisory or indicative, and by ensuring adequate information sharing and explanation beforehand. (Brexit is a text book example of incompetence by many measures, but especially this one).

What matters most is ensuring that a vote has legitimacy among most citizens - regardless of what they voted for. It would have been possible to achieve this.

Helmetbymidnight ah that makes sense.

There is an awful lot not said anything at all, but they don't make it to the news

Aye Tabby, because they're not real. 🙄