to not understand why we haven't just sacked off Brexit?

[HeyNannyNanny]

Disclaimer: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I know this has been done to death so feel free to ignore if you're sick to the back teeth of Brexit shite. Please don't pelt me with buns and gin bottles for bringing it up. No snapping. No farting.

I don't live in the UK at the moment (though I'm British) so may well have a very skewed perception of the whole thing, but it seems that Brexit is hated by a shocking number of people, has managed to go spectacularly tits up before its even happened and whispers was arguably not wanted by the majority of the population anyway.

Every time I look at the news, there's further arm waving, frothing and photos of Theresa May looking like she's hoping for the ground to swallow her up, stories of the MPs rejecting this, the EU rejecting that, Nigel Farage doing something stupid, Boris Johnson nowhere to be seen etc etc.

But there doesn't seem to be an official suggestion that we just...don't do it.

Have I missed something? Is there some reason why the Government is battling on ahead with such a shit show, when there is a (seemingly) perfectly reasonable and easy alternative right there?

why dont you tell us some of the medical bodies that are quietly pro-brexit?

i see the BMA are v concerned and the royal college of physicians too. both want a second ref. thats in addition to radiographers and nurses and midwives.

but im sure you know best.

Democracy that's why!

The funniest most insane argument I've heard for a re vote -

People have died since the first vote. Others have come of age and are now able to vote. So let's have another.

🙄😂

Honestly no, I 've not seen remainer insulting leavers

Well you must have had your eyes closed then. The Brexit threads on here are full of remainers calling leavers stupid, racist, selfish etc. The vitriol from some has been extremely unpleasant.

Fuck knows!!
We are all off to hell in a hand cart over a non legally binding vote built on lies and an impossible situation where everyone voted for their own interpretation of what Brexit meant.

Ironically those who will suffer the most are most likely to have voted for it

Honestly wish I could bloody emigrate

Well you must have had your eyes closed then. The Brexit threads on here are full of remainers calling leavers stupid, racist, selfish etc. The vitriol from some has been extremely unpleasant

And the vitriol from leavers has also been unpleasant

But i agree that its from both ends of the spectrum...it's certainly not been one sided and i am confused as to how some of this viterol has been missed by some posters

Rocket science a lot bloody easier than brexit. Brexit is impossible to deliver, whereas humans have actually been to the moon

But i agree that its from both ends of the spectrum...it's certainly not been one sided and i am confused as to how some of this viterol has been missed by some posters

Blinkered views, tribal mentalities and the echo chamber ability to block and erase an opposite point of view. I keep saying Twitter is one of the worst social media invented, so divisive and the reason (imo) politics has become so toxic. The fact that media uses Twitter as the main go-to site for its stories just fuels the fire.

I agree mission

I hate this fucking 'sides' business

16 year olds can claim in the employment tribunal for the national minimum wage, work 40 hours a week, do an apprenticeship, pay tax and national insurance, join the armed forces etc. These are the sorts of reasons why there is lots of support for allowing 16 year olds to vote in referenda - especially referenda that have an irreversible impact on their future.

Not sure I’ve ever seen anyone suggest that older people shouldn’t be allowed to vote?

Rufus...I can't even highlight it on my phone, sorry

Now May has lost the vote for her deal, it's no deal or delay/remain/revoke. No other options really.

thats in addition to radiographers and nurses and midwives...You see Helmet...That's where you go wrong. There are millions of healthcare workers in the nhs and guess what..They dont all agree with you.

There is no middle ground anymore. Who seriously thinks leaving with no deal is a good idea?

It's not going to happen

Well we've sacked off TM's Deal (twice).
We'll sack off No Deal tomorrow.

I think the only way Brexit will happen is if there is a further referendum with Remain vs a concrete option (be it TMs Deal or a new Deal). Problem is it's mostly Leave voters that are opposed to a second referendum (for obvious reasons).

tabby

Oh i see

Phones are just a pain in the arse

They are supposed to be so clever and they are bloody stupid

You should see what mine auto corrects to!!! Its on its final warning

There is no middle ground anymore

Well this is the problem. There’s no appetite from either side to compromise.

Brexiteers seem to want chaos (no deal) if they can’t get the sunlit uplands (and they can’t). Remainers want to revoke. Both sides are playing chicken now.

Given tonight’s defeat, I think a second referendum is looking a lot more likely, because parliament clearly can’t sort this and what good is a extension if nothing is going to change?

Not that I think a second referendum is necessarily a good idea or provide any clarity, but fuck it, we haven’t tried that yet. 🤷‍♀️

I agree that a second referendum is sort of problematic, but it seems to be the only realistic way forward.

Plus, if the first referendum hasn't been so deficient, and actually broadly set out what Brexit would look like, we probably wouldn't be where we are now.

That's where you go wrong. There are millions of healthcare workers in the nhs and guess what..They dont all agree with you.

Im not wrong. The main medical bodies - The BMA, the RCP, the Royal College of Midwives, the Society of Radiographers, are very concerned about Brexit, are all against a no deal brexit and in some cases are calling for a 2nd ref.

What part of that do you not understand?

Please link to these medical bodies you believe to be pro-brexit. You've been asked several times.

I don’t think Tabby understands the difference between representative bodies and individuals.

I don't want a second referendum

I didn't want a first fucking referendum

Let's have a vote on shooting ourselves in the fucking foot.....Oh, a slight majority voted that we should shoot ourselves in the foot, better crack on and get shooting eh.

Fucking shit show.

I don't think so either.

I'm bloody relieved that May's deal failed again, and that a consequence could be "Brexit could be lost". Oh I hope so!

tabby I sat at the TUC Congress 18 months ago and listened to the leader of the royal society of midwives reel off all the statistics about the midwife shortfall due to EU midwives leaving or deciding not to come to the UK. The deficit was already very bad. Do you think these people are lying, or do you have an inside track on some comforting statistics? Or do you live in a comfortable part of the UK that is insulated from these issues, such that you can’t see the impact? Southern England aka brexitland perhaps?

SUrely the UK must bear some blame for failing to train young people in the professions that will be needed in any generation? Instead we have insisted on degree level qualification for everyone. And in insisting on degrees, we have imposed debt burdens on individuals who are unlikely to earn big money, ever, because their only employer is public sector. Surely it would be better to train nurses and doctors at public expense, with the proviso that there is a committed period post-qualification service during which they cannot leave without repaying a proportion of the cost the country has invested in their training? There's a massive drain of UK trained medics who head off to other countries where there is no NHS with its extreme demands on skilled people. So many people leave for parts of the world where being a doctor or a nurse doesn't mean working every hour of every day for not great money. In the UK, you need to get to consultant level before you can afford that choice.

It might be unwelcome to point it out, but the UK is not just the NHS with a country attached like an appendix.