Brexit - what is the point?

[Bearbehind]

Theresa May is blatantly running down the clock in an attempt to force her Withdrawal Agreement through.

An agreeement which is the worst of all world because we are still tied to EU regulations with no seat at the table but it’s worse that our current deal.

If her deal is voted down then the next step is a vote to take ‘no deal’ off the table, which will almost certainly pass.

So what is the actual point at this stage?

What are people hoping will happen?

(MN - please do not banish this to the Brexit Corner - this is the biggest thing to affect the UK in a generation and it’s happening in the next 3 weeks)

Oh here we go

MORE insults towards those whom voted LEAVE.

Fuck Off with your constant put downs .

WhentheRAbbits
What three things in your day to day life do you expect to be better after Brexit?

Is it wasn't a stupid vote then can anyone explain how it was an intelligent one?

Talkinpaece
3 thing to improve in daily life after Brexit psml, I was on a Brexit thread a few weeks ago and pleaded with leavers to give me just one thing that would improve my life and several hundred messages later not one leaver could give me a single example so don't hold your breath.

Rosie
I've been asking the question since before the vote
still not had an answer

Your taxes already support the stupid decision to go in, in the first place.

We will never meet in the centre. The Spanish and the French keep encroaching on our waters and go ask the pig farmers if what the French do is fair with their little local fiddles with their local mayors.

The British process plenty, too much management. Those who go to university just to work in the 21st century factories, call centres.

The British have the capacity to produce again they use the brains of the UK for R and D then move abroad to make the vehicles in cheaper labour countries.

Too many of you are willing to put the Uk down. Move to an EU country, see if it’s better or not. Free books for kids in schools, no. Free visits to GP, no. Free hospital treatment, no. Everybody pays something, even in the poorer economies.

Good bloody job it was t like this in the 40’ and 50’s with everyone sticking together to make the country prosper.

I look forward to seeing you eat a video game.

I look forward to seeing you eat a video game.

What shite are you talking now @transit007

I don't get free books in school or free hospital and gp visits, I pay a shed load of national insurance and council tax, thanks.

This is a rather interesting study on how well informed Leave voters are when compared to Remain voters about the EU at a basic level:
ukandeu.ac.uk/are-leave-voters-less-knowledgeable-about-the-eu-than-remain-voters/

The UK could do all these things - free (at the point of use) medical treatment, free education, investment in R&D, investment in infrastructure and so on - all while within the EU and benefiting from the advantages of the SM and CU, or possibly even outside the EU but benefiting from some aspects of it with some other arrangement. Nothing the EU does stops us from doing these things, in fact it facilitates them by giving us access to markets all over the world. Like others, I have heard no clear explanation of how we will be better off outside the EU.

Rosie 39
They pay a minimum of 150 euros per month here in NI plus council tax and still have to pay for all the things mentioned.

Sparkly..one of the others mentioned farming and earning more from videos, so, the comment was made.

transit007
So you are in NI ..... the part of the UK that wants to be different and the same at the same time
good luck with that after 29th March

Transit007
Sounds quite reasonable dh and I pay over 1k a month in NI alone!

Talk I think she meant national insurance not northerly ireland😆

I did indeed mean National insurance contributions.

Rosie 39 if you pay over 1000 in NI per month you are obviously earning mega bucks. NI contributions alone?

The average wage in Portugal is 604 euros before 150 NI and then tax. To brag about huge contributions is unjustified. You clearly do not know or care how others within the EU live. Try volunteering And see if this helps you to be humble.

I remember your posts from a while ago on this subject. It appears you are still salivating at the prospect of mass unemployment of Nissan workers to prove your point

Hardly ‘salivating’ @Silverysurfer

If exactly what was predicted to happen does indeed happen, ie Nissan winds down its operation here, how is that my fault?

People were told it woul be one of the consequences of voting Leave - if they chose to ignore that and vote for something that ends up doing them out of a job then who’s fault is that?

The EU are simply trying to call our bluff. Because we have a woman in charge who never wanted to leave and people like Corbyn keep butting their nose in like they have the control or authority to do so.

I say we should leave with no deal, every other country manages who isn't in the EU. We would do fine. The would soon be a new deal stuck when the French and Germans, who are already going through a tough time at the mo, were asked to pay tariffs on the cars and wine that we buy from them.

I'm sick of being told what we can and can't do be people we never put in charge. They have more to lose from this than we do, only thing is our country isn't acting like it.

Ask people in Greece, Poland, Hungary what they think of the EU....

Viewing Brexit negotiations like a poker game is very bad, childish even.

I'm told what to do all the time, by my boss, by the law, by the guard on the train. It's how the world works.

@ccmrob12 What is it that the EU have told you that you can't do?

I don't think Theresa May was really a Remain person. I don't think she'd ever really thought much about the EU. For her the No. 1 cause is looking after the Tory party. She thought Cameron would win, so threw her lot in behind him.

ccmrob12 6 letters 2 digits = high troll likelihood
I say we should leave with no deal, every other country manages who isn't in the EU.
You know that over 70 countries have trade deals with the EU ....
There are 170 countries in the WTO
so allowing for the 28 in the EU
most of the world economy trades with the EU under deals ....

They have more to lose from this than we do, only thing is our country isn't acting like it.

Could you explain your rational for that comment?

Booming around saying ‘they need us more than we need them’ doesn’t make it true.

The UK is an island next to the worlds biggest trading bloc.

Can you explain how us losing free access to over half a billion people in 27 countries is worse than those countries losing access to 1 market and less than 70 million people?

@Tomtontom Me personally or for our country? It tells our country lots that it can and can't do. Me personally? Nothing.

I was on holiday last year talking to some local Cornish fisherman. Did you know they have to drive past French and Spanish trawlers before they are allowed to drop their nets. These are our waters for godsake, and they are not allowed to fish in them, for a start.

It's soo wrong.

I was on holiday last year talking to some local Cornish fisherman. Did you know they have to drive past French and Spanish trawlers before they are allowed to drop their nets. These are our waters for godsake, and they are not allowed to fish in them, for a start.

It's a pity then that our MEP on the EU fisheries committee couldn't bother himself to attend more than 1 meeting out of the 42 he could have attended. Who knows what might have been achieved if he actually bothered to do his job.