Brexit - what is the point?

[Bearbehind]

Theresa May is blatantly running down the clock in an attempt to force her Withdrawal Agreement through.

An agreeement which is the worst of all world because we are still tied to EU regulations with no seat at the table but it’s worse that our current deal.

If her deal is voted down then the next step is a vote to take ‘no deal’ off the table, which will almost certainly pass.

So what is the actual point at this stage?

What are people hoping will happen?

(MN - please do not banish this to the Brexit Corner - this is the biggest thing to affect the UK in a generation and it’s happening in the next 3 weeks)

Sigh

I'm glad the obnoxious posts were deleted though.

www.politico.eu/article/portugal-to-welcome-brits-even-without-brexit-deal-contingency/

Portugal and other European countries do not need Royal assent etc. They are putting things in place in the case of a no deal.

Really, the British press are amongst the worse in the world for scaremongering. They don’t mention positives. Actually, as they say no news is good news.

I went to bed, I am now up and around and am getting on with my life. The sun will rise and set again on March 30th.

Peregrina
No one wants coal these days, it’s a market of the past. Up coming nations still use and pollute the atmosphere however we have been there and done that so it’s difficult to complain. Times move on.

Textiles left yes, they did and who buys the cheap rubbish tipped out from the Far East, we all do. Their economy is slowing though as all the world economies are. The world is going into recession, it used to happen every ten years but between the early 90’s and 2007 it was long overdue.

Honda used to employ many, many more people than it does now and has been slowly closing since late 90’s. Japan is going into recession so it’s taking its work home.

the deal is not what we asked for

Who is ‘we’? At what point did ‘we’ get asked what ‘we’ wanted? Because it was ‘remain’ or ‘leave’ in the voting booth. There was no remain, deal1, deal2, deal3, no deal.

Leavers have got what they asked for, surely? —assuming it happens—

So it's not reciprocal then - Portugal have laid out what they will be doing unilaterally, in the expectation that will be reciprocated. Hopefully that all works out then.

My worry about no deal is that the government is just going to be overwhelmed by everything it has to get lined up and into place all at once. Any one job is probably fine - reciprocating healthcare arrangements with Portugal - it's just that would be happening at the same time as needing to reciprocate health care arrangements with 26 other countries. It's all bureaucracy, it all needs people to do, and there are only so many people. And healthcare is just one sector, one implication.

I think really at this point, if it becomes a possible no deal action and we leave with nothing, a second referendum would be a better alternative to see if its still what the public want essentially.

If we somehow stupidly vote leave again, then leave under no deal terms and walk away with nothing with immediate effect. No talks, no bullshitting, just plain and simple.

Think that would be the fairest option. Then we leave under no illusions. Currently, we would be leaving after having been majorly lied to a lot. Although I voted remain because I'm aware politicians cannot tell the truth, but some aren't aware of this.

The sun rose and set on 06/08/1945. But it was a very bad day for (up to) 150000 people.

The sun rose as you say quite correctly on 6/8/45. The sun also rose in September 1939 and that was also a bad day. Someone, somewhere is always having a bad day.

The UK have already set out reciprocal terms. They have categorically told EU citizens already there in the Uk that their circumstances will not change. This is providing the agreement goes through.

If there is another vote, and it’s to stay in, I think we should have the best of three similar to that we used to have in the school playground.

do you realise or admit in anyway that many people life was made worse by EU? Or is literally every single thing purely UK government fault

No @Budsbegginingspringinsight I am unable to realise or admit this because no one ever gives any examples.

I literally cannot think of a single thing that has made anyone’s life worse which is entirely the fault of the EU and which our government had no control over.

If you want people to understand your point of view, you need to give actual examples rather than just making sweeping statements

“Bearbehind

do you realise or admit in anyway that many people life was made worse by EU?”

How, precisely?

I think perhaps the farming industry turned on its head by the EU told what and where to grow and of course the controversial “set aside” where farmers were paid not to farm.

The fishing industry descimated by the EU.

These are the two industries I know about.

Also the impact by the Labour government who clearly did not understand what WFTC meant when introduced and people saw as free money to go to work. This has impacted on every single persons life in the UK. They obviously didn’t see that free movement of people would see this as free money. That is one benefit that should be got rid of immediately and employers should pay a decent working wage not scrounge through the backdoor of government and ultimately you and me.

We didn’t get what we voted for in the 70’s, that is why a lot of people voted out now.

Would that be the farming industry that is in annual receipt of £3 billion from the CAP and which according to the LSE has more to lose from Brexit than any other industry?

Yes it would be the same industry that has been decimated.

CAP is a real problem. If you know about farming ask any pig farmer..

Okay

Textiles: DH never throws anything away, so has ties in his wardrobe from the late 60s/early 70s. All made in Britain. Newer ones - if he buys a cotton one we find it was made in Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Turkey, Vietnam... On other hand, when he buys a silk one, he finds it was made in Italy. But of course, we can't do trade deals while in the EU, so I wonder how Italy manages. In that case they went for quality, not tat, where as I mentioned we didn't bother to invest in either machinery or management, and have reaped the results.

And we will continue to reap the results because I don't see Rees-Mogg, Redwood, Davis, Fox, Johnson etc. all wealthy men, visiting the regions and putting up some of their money as seed corn for new industries.

transit007
Fishing is less than 0.5% of the UK's GDP video games contribute more
and most of what is caught is exported to other EU countries as Brits do not like the local fish.
Leaving the EU will utterly destroy the UK fishing industry
but you already knew that

And you knew that it was Westminster which sold our fishing quotas to mainly the Dutch.

And you knew that it was Westminster which sold our fishing quotas to mainly the Dutch.

Exactly. So a perfect example of something the EU gets wrongly blamed for when in fact it was our own governments fault.

Bearbehind
Are you anywhere near Sunderland?
What do you think will happen to life around there when Nissan moves out?

I remember your posts from a while ago on this subject. It appears you are still salivating at the prospect of mass unemployment of Nissan workers to prove your point.

These are the two industries I know about

As in fishermen have boats and farmers have tractors?

Set aside was introduced because of gross over production, due to guaranteed pricing... something which has been used in UK since 1940s.
UK fish stocks have been declining for around a 100 years, due to over fishing by...uk fishermen! financial incentives introduced to sell off boats was snapped up by UK fishermen, unfortunately quota went with the boat...... oft brought by eu fishermen.

We've neither the boats, crew, markets or the ability to police fishing grounds post brexit.

And farmers could be facing having to compete against cheap food imports of dubious standards, its why the NFU is against brexit.

Silver... they voted for it, so who cares, so long as my taxes don't go to support the consequences of their stupid decision.

The irony of UK fisherpeople avidly campaigning for Brexit but staring down severe revenue decline in No Deal scenario... I kind of wish I was horrible person who could enjoy their impending doom. Instead it's just another item to put on the heap of lunacy that is Rushed Zealous Brexit.