Brexit - what is the point?

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Theresa May is blatantly running down the clock in an attempt to force her Withdrawal Agreement through.

An agreeement which is the worst of all world because we are still tied to EU regulations with no seat at the table but it’s worse that our current deal.

If her deal is voted down then the next step is a vote to take ‘no deal’ off the table, which will almost certainly pass.

So what is the actual point at this stage?

What are people hoping will happen?

(MN - please do not banish this to the Brexit Corner - this is the biggest thing to affect the UK in a generation and it’s happening in the next 3 weeks)

Oh dear wherearemychickens they won't like your post, it has far too many facts to dispute their arguments.

Yeah those pesky facts.

OP, no point whatsoever. Biggest clusterfuck of my lifetime.

I was thinking this today.

What did we do with all of our time pre-Brexit talk? What was the headline news each night?

I don’t even remember a time before it now. It feels like we’ve been in this limbo for decades already.

See, I can see a point to some kind of two tier regulatory structure for the EU, with the UK leading in the outer tier, plugged in to the single market and customs union but with opts out on some of the more political ends in some kind of Association Agreement. That would have been something I could have accepted, despite still thinking that it's worse than full membership. Theoretically I suppose we could still end up there, but not under our current leadership with this shower of a government.

The thing I am most furious personally about is losing my freedom of movement. The thing I am most scared about is whether my mum will be able to finish her chemotherapy treatment, and the imposition of martial law, in the case of a no deal.

I didn't pay any attention to the civil contingencies act when it went through - it's incredibly wide ranging in its scope.

@ random18 why it is the uk govt fault? The EU had a chance when David Cameron asked for concessions. They said piss off, so we are

The EU had a chance when David Cameron asked for concessions. They said piss off, so we are

It’s this kind of arrogance that got us into this mess. What ‘chance’ are you referring to?

A) We had more concessions than any other country in the first place.

And

B) it’s a club - why do we deserve different rules?

I am fed up of this biggest mandate talk - yes it was a considerable turn out but the majority was not significant enough to fuck us over on that result.

Is and never was any point grounded in reality.

I'd just like to add anyone taking guidance from Andrew Lillico and his ilk has well and truly been had. He shouldn't be in charge of peeling an orange.

There is absolutely no point in brexit at this point other than Theresa May's doggedness.

Well also, it wasn't a binding referendum, it was only advisory. Had it been binding, the now proven illegalities of it would have meant it being declared void. As well as there probably being the requirement for a supramajority so us not meeting the bar in the first place anyway.

Come on the march on 23rd March in London. Even if you aren’t keen on the vote, come to show you don’t want a no deal.
www.peoples-vote.uk/march

The point is to give us a short cut to being brilliant. And it's not working. In fact turns out it's a short cut to being shite.

I know 1 peron in RL who voted leave and even they aren’t satisfied this plane crash in the making.

In fact turns out it's a short cut to being shite.

Tut Tut, did they never read the hare and the tortoise. The moral of the story is that you can be more successful by doing things slowly and steadily, than by acting quickly and carelessly.

Tut Tut, did they never read the hare and the tortoise. The moral of the story is that you can be more successful by doing things slowly and steadily, than by acting quickly and carelessly

Agreed.

If we’d actually planned and thought about this it might have worked.

The point is that we'd rather be poor, sick and living off boiled turnip than have Johnny Foreigner telling us what to do (even if this is only a figment of our imaginations). Our grandads fought on the beaches to protect us from the tyranny of employment rights and high food standards.

Funnily enough if I remember correctly Cameron came back with promises regarding no ‘ever closer union’ with the EU. In other words we could hold back from further integration with Europe. It was just never reported in the EU sceptic press

I voted leave and I would be more than happy for her to revoke if and only if she kept the Brexit office of the government open and launched an investigation into why people like myself voted the way we did and responded to it. My vote had nothing whatsover to do with immigration and everything to do with the way I believe successive UK governments have misused the idea of the EU to ignore and blame social deprivation in areas like mine on the residents inability to access EU funding, rather than the effect of successive domestic policies. I'll also admit to being very pissed off with the South centric focus re brexit and the EUin terms of media coverage. Also spiteful as it may seem I have felt, I'm not sure if happy is the right word, but somerhing good in the fact that 'the south' I know it's not an amorphous place, but people on here refer to the North, seems to be shitting itself at the mere threat of job and industry losses that we suffered decades ago. I don't remember hand wringing when folk like my dad went on strike in the mines, oh no, on the BBC, they were criminals, or when the pot banks closed and my mum was out on her arse. No fretting about my kids futures or mine then, so I find it hard to do now.

Remainers need to stop taking Brexit so personally and see it as a symptom and a chance for people like me, who have felt forgotten about for decades to have their say and speak up. Some of you have been complicit in that, whether you want to admit it or not. If Brexit is stopped (and I wouldn't mind, so long as there were another vote and an investigation into the reason for the initial result) domestic expenditure and investment through out this country and the devolved nations needs to be increased and focus taken away from London and the SE.

There is no point.

I visited a business a little time ago (as part of my job). Business was just sales, warehousing and distribution of a particular product. Product was manufactured by the American parent company in the US and Mexico. 88% of sales were to the EU, product landed in the UK and was then distributed across Europe. The office staff were mostly British and the warehouse staff about 50% eastern European. The company's 'no deal' Brexit planning is registering the company in the Netherlands and looking for premises there. There is no way the company is viable in the UK in the event of no deal. Lots of the staff were celebrating when Leave won.

This example just sums up the stupidity of Brexit for me. Ironically, the eastern European staff will be able to keep their jobs by moving with the company to the Netherlands and the British staff won't be able to.

If we’d actually planned and thought about this it might have worked.

Where's the fun in that? We'd rather run headfirst into chaos than actually think about the consequences of doing so.

Brexit is like running into a fire thinking you're invincible, then going shit that actually hurt.

What did we do with all of our time pre-Brexit talk? What was the headline news each night

See I'm starting to wonder if this is the point of brexit. Because if we leave with the WA or crash out we are going to be talking about brexit for years. All the trade deals, our relationship with Europe, the inevitable comparisons between our economy and theirs, not to mention the inevitable ongoing campaign to rejoin.

So instead of headlines about homelessness; poverty; lack of funding for schools, NHS, councils, roads etc; the appalling way disabled people are being treated; all the things this government is absolutely failing at, we are talking about brexit. Complete misdirection.

We had a divide and rule campaign under Cameron, where struggling working people were encouraged to blame benefits claimants for their ills, rather than rich people/the government.

But now we've been the victims of an almighty divide and rule scam. We are now either remainers or leavers, and the idea is that any future ills will be blamed on each camp by the other. And the government will bear some blame, but not the amount it should.

Remainers need to stop taking Brexit so personally and see it as a symptom and a chance for people like me, who have felt forgotten about for decades to have their say and speak up.

Except you chose to ‘speak up’ by burning your house down and are now realising you have nowhere to live.

I understand why you were / are frustrated but this was never the answer,

It’s only going to make things worse.

What was my other option? Please don't say: Campaign, petition, vote and so on. I have been doing that since I was 18 and I also support and work for charity and community project!

But now we've been the victims of an almighty divide and rule scam. We are now either remainers or leavers, and the idea is that any future ills will be blamed on each camp by the other. And the government will bear some blame, but not the amount it should.

I agree our differences have been widely exploited - the problem is Leavers don’t see that.