Brexit - what is the point?

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Theresa May is blatantly running down the clock in an attempt to force her Withdrawal Agreement through.

An agreeement which is the worst of all world because we are still tied to EU regulations with no seat at the table but it’s worse that our current deal.

If her deal is voted down then the next step is a vote to take ‘no deal’ off the table, which will almost certainly pass.

So what is the actual point at this stage?

What are people hoping will happen?

(MN - please do not banish this to the Brexit Corner - this is the biggest thing to affect the UK in a generation and it’s happening in the next 3 weeks)

You must have examples that you are thinking of.

How many people’s life’s were made worse?
I don’t know the answer at all.
I accept some may have been but suspect many more have benifited

MPs overwhelmingly voted to ask the people if we should leave the EU.
The people voted to leave the EU.
MPs overwhelmingly voted to leave the EU in 2 years, promising to respect the vote.
2 faced, lying, cowardly MPs are now trying to stop us leaving the EU, pathetic.
If MPs wont accept the deal May has negotiated then she has no choice but to run down the clock and we leave at the end of this month, whatever.
If MPs dont like it then we have to replace them with ones who see Brexit as the opportunity for the UK that it is.

Opportunity for what exactly Walkingdeadfangirl ?

@Budsbegginingspringinsight - do you realise or admit in anyway that many people life was made worse by EU?

Can you give some examples?

Yes Budsbegginingspringinsight in what way have the EU made life worse for people? Which people?

I was intrigued by the comparison between Brexit and the American war of independence and found this link:

www.lizcovart.com/blog/2019/2/10/brexit-and-american-independence

Excerpt below - so America suffered for a number of years afterwards as a result, nothing was particularly settled and they went to war again in 1812. That's not exactly the kind of future dynamic I want to see my children growing up within. Also obvious ways in which the comparison falls down vs today's modern world - globalisation hadn't happened, ro-ro ferries didn't exist, nor powerful trading blocks & regulatory superpowers, or the need for data flows between nations, or the lack of manufacturing and material resources in this country, chronic low productivity of our workers, lack of investment in training and education, etc. etc.

No longer members of the British Empire, the world took advantage of American merchants and ships. Barbary Pirates preyed on American shipping because American ships now sailed without strong naval protection. European merchants like the Bronkhorst brothers of France refused to trade fairly with and honor their debts to American merchants because they knew the fledgling United States government could do little to intervene, while their home government would do all it could to protect them. And as the Earl of Sheffield correctly noted, few nations and merchants proved willing to grant Americans the credit they needed to conduct a profitable trade.[1]

For many years, the United States and its people struggled without their membership in the British Empire. Even Great Britain used their weak Confederation government against them. As history shows, tensions between the United States and Great Britain mounted. Neither nation followed through on the terms they agreed to in the Treaty of Paris and as a result the two nations went to war again in 1812.

"If MPs dont like it then we have to replace them with ones who see Brexit as the opportunity for the UK that it is."

I genuinely despair. I don't know how you can get to this point, with everything that has been in the news, and not see that no-deal is a catastrofuck for this country.

Unfortunately the EU has big ideas. Their accounts haven’t been audited for at least 20 years. They throw money at projects, money of which is put into the back pockets of local beaurocrats with projects started and never finished or just never started. It is a wasteful organisation. The UK cannot been begin to understand the money wasted and pocketed. It makes our MPs look angelic like! They move their parliament every 4 days once a month between Strasbourg and Brussels at a monster cost of 150m per year.

Hammond says that accepting the WA would free up £15bn for public spending. That's only 43 weeks of spending £350 million on the NHS, right? Not worth it to many, I guess. :(

If you are going to make claims like that, Transit, at least get your facts right. It's not true that they haven't been audited:

fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/

@walkingdead if my mp wasn’t questioning Brexit especially now we no more he would never get my vote.

No wait, he thinks TM’s Deal will progress his career - even though he is a remainder.
#anyoneelesebuthim

*know

Apologies re the audit, I was wrong.

About the rest, no, I am definitely right. I live amongst it at the moment.

Sparkly, are you proud of being so ignorant? A pot bank, they were numerous in my area and nearly everyone living here had at least one family member working in them, is where pottery is/ was (mostly) made. Also cut the you won be happy crap. I've given enough insight into why I am not happy, those reasons were created over decades and will take at least the same amount of time to address. Bellini apologised to me, so obviously understood why I was 'abusive' to them.

My only comment on the rest of that then Transit is:

twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1102546363605237760

Their accounts haven’t been audited for at least 20 years. They throw money at projects, money of which is put into the back pockets of local beaurocrats with projects started and never finished or just never started. It is a wasteful organisation.

Easily refuted and blatant brexshitter lie.

The Court of Auditors has signed the EU accounts every year since 2007, while pointing out that EU countries, once they receive the EU funds, misuse about 4.4% of the total budget.

I live in a crown depency, no vote on Brexit although it affects us hugely.

I am a Remainer but having family in leave areas I totally understand why they voted as they did. Both Tory and Labour failed them.

I would be happy to leave with the WA, even though I would prefer to remain. I respect the majority vote.

What I cannot accept is the incompetent shit show from the government.

It's less than 3 weeks to go and no one knows what is happening. That is unforgivable.

If you are ever worried you are bad at your job, relax. You won't ever be doing a worse job than Chris Grayling.

Well, where are my chickens
Did it go into Chris Graylings back pocket? Is this what you are saying, he actually pocketed the money?

My piece was about EU officials doing deals with local officials and pocketing of money because “that’s the way it is done and has always been done”.

Justheretogiveaviewfrommyworld I'd never heard of a pot bank hence why I asked. Asking questions is a way of finding out information, not a sign of ignorance
You seem very angry.

I’ve never heard of a potbank either

But then I’m from Scotland..........:

Chris Grey made a comment the other day on Twitter - Chris Grayling is in fact a cost of Brexit. May can't afford to get rid of him, so we're stuck with him costing us a fortune with every bad decision he makes.

What you're talking about is fraud Transit. If you know about it, have you reported it?

Bollocks to brexit
This is not brexit bullshit. You see, remain people and those of you that just take your hols in the EU don’t see what really goes on behind the scenes. It’s not all sangria and sun, it’s greasing palms. It’s not bullshit believe what you want, you are not looking at the full story. Being bitter about how your countryfolk voted and not letting the democratic process be fulfilled is more damaging than the vote itself.